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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: The Dust Is Long From Settled

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With several hours now past since the NHL trade deadline for this season, we are left with many more questions than answers.

With the only significant trades to take place being the departures of Antoine Vermette and Jeff Carter leading up to the deadline, the Jackets did send Samuel Pahlsson to the Canucks for draft picks and minor league d-man Taylor Ellington, it's far from the "Nuclear Option". If the team's core needed to be broken up, far too much of it seems to still be in place at this point, which leads us to wondering what will happen this off season, and the continuing saga of Rick Nash.

General Manager Scott Howson appears to have held firm on his demands, refusing final offers from the New York Rangers and San Jose Sharks late in the day.

There will be debate on this, but at the moment I find it to have been the right move. We do not know what San Jose offered (other than the often reported rumor that Columbus wanted Logan Couture in the deal, and the Sharks said no), while the rumored offer from the Rangers, while it appears impressive on paper, would have done little to aid the team's long term needs. Erixon would have gone into a blue line that is increasingly crowded, Dubinsky is essentially another Umberger type player, and the remaining prospects are question marks at best. Perhaps one would blow up into a player who could crack the roster, but likely not.

Howson's major misstep would wait for the post deadline press conference, where he made the decision to air out the dirty laundry. Undoubtably feeling pressure from the tactic's of Nash's agent in going to TSN over the weekend, it was a counter blow that may have been aimed at getting fans behind the front office and making an eventual trade more acceptable, but feels like he shot his own foot off in the process.

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If Rick Nash went to ownership, as reported by 97.1 and others and said it was a "They go or I go" situation with the team's front office, blame is likely to be found on both sides. Howson bet big this offseason and failed to make the right calls with his coaching and trying to fix problems before things fell completely apart. Nash obviously has enjoyed playing in Columbus, but it seems he's trying to dictate that what's best for Rick Nash will be best for the Blue Jackets, and that's exactly the mentality that lead to firing Ken Hitchcock, a round robin of veterans to "help with leadership", acquiring Jeff Carter, and put the team into much of their current mess.

Both have now revealed their hands and exposed weaknesses that will make any resolution difficult. I can't see a scenario where both remain in Columbus after the close of this season - but I can certainly imagine both shown the door before long.

The real focus now needs to be on the team's ownership, who apparently decided to back Howson to the hilt. If his mandate was to get best value out of his big chips and reshape this team, right now we have Jack Johnson (good), second and fourth round picks (tolerable, but not great), and an elephant in the room. It's hard to look at this as anything but mediocre. Any deals for Nash will likely get worse, and if his "list" is truly a fixed one, there's no opportunity to try and play new suitors into the mix to help sweeten the pot again.

You gave him the football, and he fumbled it. Will you let him try again in June, or is it time for someone else to step in and call the shots?

If Scott Howson truly survives this season (and it's a big IF), he should be hoping and praying for San Jose, New York, and any other teams on Nash's list to have a late round exit from the playoffs, perhaps convincing them that they could be a front runner for next year with Nash in the lineup.

The other question will be how the room responds to the news - if this wasn't already an open secret among them. If Nash is expected to motivate this team to play, how far do you stick your neck out for someone who's willing to leave town?

We knew the next 20 games wouldn't be pretty. I'm not sure anyone imagined just how ugly they might become.

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How does Howson still have a job?

And what was the point of throwing Nash under the bus today? That’s clearly going to motivate the team to finish the season strong.

Plus, talk about over-valuing a player.

Columbus GM Scott Howson rejected what is believed a Rangers’ final offer of Dubinsky, 21-year-old defenseman Tim Erixon, 2011 first-rounder J.T. Miller, 2010 second-rounder Christian Thomas and a first-round selection in this June’s Entry Draft.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/rangers_don_trade_for_nash_stand_jAPkLXtsG4UrJTPv9MxcVN#ixzz1nd21sYC6

Good luck for the next 5 years. I really hope they don’t ruin Johansen’s development like they have most of their other prospects.

by Hoggo on Feb 27, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Rangers can now in the offseason go after UFAs Kostinsyn, Parise, Grabovski without surrendering ANY players or draft choices. Betcha Rangers get one of them!

by frankiec on Feb 27, 2012 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

Thoughts...

1. – The NYR offer is either insulting or I as a fan have terrifically overvalued Nash

2. – If Nash presented that ultimatum to ownership, shame on him. That ploy never works out for the giver of said ultimatum

3. – If ownership sided with Howson & Co over a player like Nash – especially given the clusterpuck that Howson & Co have made of things – then shame on them. Again, maybe I am overvaluing Nash

4. – In my opinion, the moves made by the CBJ represented neither “rebuilding” or “reshaping.” What happened???

5. – No one is going to get out of this alive. Nash & his agent were out of line as was Howson. One started burning the bridge while the other attempted to put it out with gasoline

I don’t know. I am nowhere near being a hockey expert or even a learned fan. I have blinders on when it comes to the Jackets. I am ignorant to the true worth of our players as I am too close to the situation. And in my defense, it’s tough to get an accurate accounting of their value as it seems the Jackets constantly deal from a disadvantaged position in this business (see the overpaying of free agents to get them to come here).

What say ye, Matt? Help me understand fully, please.

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Your overvaluing Nash a bit. Either that or you dont know who Erixon and J.T Miller are.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m certain I’m overvaluing Nash and I have no idea who Erixon and Miller are…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Erixon is quite possibly the best defenseman not in the NHL right now. Miller was the Rangers first round pick last year, but I’m not that high on him. At best he’ll be a more consistent Dubinsky, in my opinion.

by Hoggo on Feb 27, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

A significant roster player, 2 blue chip prospects, another decent prospect, and a first round pick. What more is Nash worth? That is a very significant haul right there.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Im guessing the Jackets wanted Krieder, which makes sense considering he is the one big “cant miss” prospect I guess you could say. Especially with Erixon’s history.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Erixon will be an NHL dman, the part that will/will not miss is his ceiling as a 1st pair guy. He’s more of an NHL lokck than Kreider, by a hair or five

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by George E. Ays on Feb 27, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he will be an NHL defensemen, but I doubt top pair. Which is my concern. I see Krieder as the most appealing prospect. Especially since CBJ are looking for a forwards for Nash since getting Johnson.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s unlikely to be top pair with the Rangers, simply because of Girardi/Staal/McDonagh. At least not for a long while.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. But he still concerns me with the way he handled himself in Calgary. I wouldnt be shocked if he did the same here.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, that’s a different argument. It certainly seems like he said “I’m going to NY, trade me there.”

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by George E. Ays on Feb 27, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He had the option of not signing there. He’s not the first prospect to do so. I wouldn’t want to play for an organization with no direction either.

Speaking of…. guess he dodged a bullet today.

by Hoggo on Feb 27, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And dont get me wrong, I probably would have taken the deal if I were Howson. But I do see where he is coming from.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I understand it, but by the same token, I dunno that he’s beating that package, and probably will end up costing himself something (though that something could be his own job, I suppose)

In general, it seems like the oddest time to actually move Nash, since thanks mostly to Mason, you’re in line to finally give him another (potential) superstar to play with.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 27, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If he didnt come out and say Nash demanded a trade I could have seen him getting a tad more, but no way anymore. And even that is a stretch. At worst maybe the same as long as you guys didnt win the Cup.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fancy seeing you here

I agree, he’s not beating that package, especially after his press conference.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Erixon would have anchored the Columbus defense for the next 10 years.

by Hoggo on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The word out of NY was that Kreider & Del Zotto were untouchable.

Since the people commenting are saying that this offer from the Rangers was a very good one, my theory is that this was Howson’s excuse to keep Nash by rejecting a substantial offer.

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Unbelievable

Well, the disfunction that is the Columbus Blue Jackets has reached an all-time high. I always wondered if Nash was a good captain. I’m thinking now that he has not been a good captain. He’s a heckuva player, but Captain on a hockey team is a different thing. Nash is being revealed to be just another selfish millionaire athlete.
Howson has so obviously not delivered. It’s especially evident now that his “reshaping” of the roster ends of being more of the same old indecision disguised as resolution instead of patience. But it’s the same thing: risk averse.
The net result of the deals made by the deadline are about what you would expect of a seller: dump underachieving salary, dump UFA’s you won’t re-sign, and promise “jam tomorrow.” That is, we’ll fix it in the off-season.
And now ownership had better take a good look at the mess they have on their hands. Think they’ll sell 7,000 season tickets next year?

by Tom _Murrell on Feb 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Just when I was starting to possibly not hate Scott Howson, he has to go and do something so inexplicably stupid that it seriously makes me wonder how he’s still here. Does he really need more attention placed on him and his failures by making all this public? Throwing Nash under the bus like that was completely uncalled for. Even if Nash DID come forward with that ultimatum (in which case I would choose “Nash” every single time…at least he doesn’t need an “advisor” to play the game for him), it was never a public matter, and it’s up to Howson to be the bigger man in his role as GM.

Has Nash been a great captain? I’m not one to say…I was never in the locker room. If he wasn’t a good captain, then they should have stripped the “C” from his chest a long time ago. But let’s face it, he at least put on a class act for longer than most people in his situation would have, and I think he was at least owed a dignified exit, regardless of how selfish he was perceived to be.

I think everyone’s right: the relationship between Nash and Howson will definitely end this summer. I can only hope against all odds that it’s Howson that’s the one leaving.

by Toxichighway on Feb 27, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

I’m gonna play pro-GMSH…not my real position, I’m somewhere in between.

I don’t think SH wanted to trade Nash, but when Nash asked him too, he had to at least try. If Nash asks for a trade, I would expect him to have a list a little longer then the rumored 5 clubs. That already puts SH behind the 8-ball, because the 2 or 3 clubs that actually want to try for hom know they don’t have competition and then Nash’s agent tells the media that they won’t lengthin their list putting SH farther behind the ball. At this point, he has no leverage, no change he can tell the Rangers who he wants.

by Ryan Sheets on Feb 27, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

…I think the list may have been a little longer. But he’s still got several contenders to choose from.

It’s enough pressure on the Rangers knowing that the Bruins could be in the market as well, either team acquiring Nash would push the other ahead, and shift the balance of power in the conference. One team would emerge as clearly dominant. Knowing that the Sharks and Canucks would also be in on it, all those teams have signinficant assets and would make a trade doable.

by Josh Owen on Feb 27, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

What a mess

…I don’t know how to react to all of this yet. It’s a lot to digest. Either way, looks like we’re on a long, dark road to the end of the season.

If the offer above is accurate, I don’t blame Howson for not taking it. Personally, I wouldn’t want Dubinsky and his contract, or put my faith in a package of prospects. I would have counter-offered, Nash for Artem Anisimov, Erixon, Miller, and a 1st and 3rd round pick.

by Josh Owen on Feb 27, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Thomas is a less of a gamble than a random 3rd round pick.

Dubi’s had a terrible year, his contract ’shouldn’t’ be that bad long term, but yeah, so far so bad.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I find great difficulty understanding those who simply knee-jerk react to Nash asking for a trade and come out angry at only the captain. If you want to be angry at him, go ahead. But you’re missing the point and should be directing your anger at Scott Howson. He dragged this internal matter out into the public space and has made the entire organization an even more toxic mess. This is compounded by Howson’s storied ineptitude during his tenure and even more pathetic work on deadline day (Paul freaking Gaustad goes for a 1st rounder and Vermette/Pahlsson only get a 2nd and two 4ths? Seriously?)

If the argument is that the logo/name on the front is more important than the one on the back, then I trust you stand with me in your disgust for the complete mismanagement of the Blue Jackets since 2007. Be mad at Nash if you want, but be more angry at the people calling the shots and publicly calling out the most valuable player in franchise history. Can you seriously blame a guy for quietly asking out after Howson couldn’t come through ever?

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

My anger is directed at Nash if he issued an ultimatum. Not that I can’t see where he is coming from with said ultimatum—who wouldn’t want to escape this burning building?

But more than anything else, Howson is absolutely the biggest villain here since Doug MacLean. The handling of so much of this has been botched. The latest “botchery” was calling out Nash – unprovoked!!! – about his asking to be traded. What in God’s name could possibly be gained by that tactic???

Sad days, indeed. This is ugly. Really ugly.

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And unfortunately, this act has also effectively split the CBJ fanbase. I find calling out Nash, cries for his captaincy to end, things like that to be foolish. Yet they will stand firm in their position that he was a traitor to the franchise, something I can’t even begin to agree with.

It’s going to an absolute mess off the ice for the franchise and its fans. This was a bad, bad, bad deadline for the Blue Jackets.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I think it looks terrible to have a captain that no longer wants to be in Columbus. I guess it is not worth the effort of taking it away from him at this point, but I still think it looks bad.

Do agree. Terrible trade deadline. Although people need to keep in mind we did make the Vermette trade although it was not today. We did not have many other tradeable assets. Don’t see us going after Schneider or whomever until after the season

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen. Totally agree with you there. Is it really Nash’s fault that he wants to win, and sees that it won’t happen here? This isn’t a case of someone going Jeff Carter on us and pouting his way out. This is a guy who’s basically been serving a prison sentence on this team for almost a decade…who can blame him for wanting to leave and wanting to live up to his true potential?

Personally, I think Nash is owed that at this point.

by Toxichighway on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn’t have to sign the extension.

by Cannonfire on Feb 27, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but maybe the events that pushed him over the edge happened this season. Maybe Nash got so tired of losing every night, and watching Howson and Co. do next to nothing, that he realized this management group wasn’t capable of delivering a winner. Let’s face it: Nash has always been on a crappy team, but it’s never been THIS crappy.

I really don’t think he hates it here…I really think he likes the city, fans, and I also think he wants to like the team. But all it can take is a couple of bad apples to ruin the overall experience, and that might be what happened here.

by Toxichighway on Feb 28, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash has always been on a crappy team, but it’s never been THIS crappy.

then

But all it can take is a couple of bad apples to ruin the overall experience

Which is it? Are we that bad or was it just a couple of “bad apples”? Personally I think it was a couple of bad apples and the wrong mix in the room. We have never had as much skill throughout our organization than we do right now.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 28, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry…my “bad apples” reference were the guys in management, not other players in the dressing room. And my reference to the team being crappy isn’t the team on paper, but the way the season has played out. I agree we have more skill now than ever, but looking at our record, you’d almost think we were the California Golden Seals relocated.

I think both of those could have been the factors that really drove him to give the ‘ultimatum’ and put the pressure on for the trade.

by Toxichighway on Feb 28, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Heres my take..

First off, let me just say I completely saw this coming. Not in the form of Howson coming out and saying Nash asked for a trade, but I figured Nash did indeed ask for the trade and it was not managements idea. It is too bad it had to come to this, I was really hoping it would not go public.

Nash, ownership, and Howson all share the blame. Everything was handled horribly in this entire situation.
Nash
Nash and his agent go hand in hand. They handled it horribly. From leaking the news of the Jackets shopping Nash to his agents stupid comments the other night. For Nash to pressure the organization and demand a trade after all these years is one thing, but to only submit a short list (four or so teams) and expect to be traded by deadline is completely rediculous and unfair to the fans. To sit there and keep saying that “the fans deserve a winning team” and then demand a trade is wrong. Especially to read all the signs saying “Nash is CBJ” and “Dont trade Nash”, he and his agent were trying to make Howson look like the bad guy. Plain and simple. In that case, I dont blame Howson for telling everyone Nash asked for a trade.

Ownership
If those rumors were true that Nash went to ownership and basically said that it was them (Howson, Priest) or me, than they are fools not to fire Priest and Howson. Howson is the GM of the worst team in the NHL (by far) and Priest is one of the few constants in the organization. Why not fire them over trading the player that brings in millions of dollars by himself. Doesnt make sense to me. Seems like an easy choice

Howson
Howson probably deserves more blame than anyone. I think he got personal with Nash’s agents comments and made the decision to make it public. He shouldnt have. He probably just lowered Nash’s value now that GM’s know that we have to trade him. They have the leverage. Terrible move by Howson. He essentially threw the most important player the organization has ever seen under the bus. Hopefully Nash takes this with class and helps the organization out. Maybe he comes out and says that he would be willing to stay if management changes, but who knows. Hopefully he does something that gives the leverage back to us. At this point, I doubt it but who knows. He has two ways of handling it.

Nash needs to have the C taken off. You just cant have a captain wearing the C that asked for a trade. Looks horrible. Take it off and give it to Wiz or Umby who deserve it and want to be here.

Lastly, I find it funnt that everyone only blames Howson on here. What happened to “Patrick is the one running things anyway”? Patrick was there. I am sure he and Howson talked about making it public. Why only blame Howson on this when if a good trade would have been made everyone would be praising Patrick. If Patrick is truly the one calling the shots why do people complain that Howson made horrible trades with Vermette and Pahlsson? He is the one that finalizes it, but if he Patrick is the one calling the shots blame him.
Anyway, I just find that kinda funny.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

And yes, Patrick is not absolved from this either. Anyone in the decision-making office is at fault. This is a nightmare and heads should roll. Whether they will or not remains to be seen…

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

How did Howson lower Nash’s trade value? I think he is trying to do the opposite by getting Nash to expand his list, and I’m hoping it will work. Why should we give up Nash for anything less than a rather big overpayment? I haven’t heard that any team, including the Rangers, offered us anything near that.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash’s trade value goes down because teams know that Nash must be moved. He’s not staying in Columbus. He has to go. Teams don’t have to pay as much, knowing that they’re simply taking an unhappy guy off the Jackets’ hands.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

See Carter, Jeff. The return for Carter was acceptable given his production and injury/attitude issues this season, but realistically based on Carter’s career production it was somewhat weak.

by Jay32600 on Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that “outing” Nash will not drive down the value of Nash. If anything, possibly forcing Nash to expand “his list” and getting more teams in on the bidding at the end of the season will only raise the price. There were teams rumored to be on the list like the Red Wings and the Flyers who couldn’t make that deal now, but may get in on the action later. I would especially keep my eyes on the Flyers, and they have great young players that Howson/Patrick want.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is the thinking of Patrick/ Howson. Hoping more teams will drive up the price. Whether that happens is to be determined. I dont see it.

Flames? Dont think they have the prospects and young players needed. I think they were voted to have the worst prospect pool

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Nash wants to go to Calgary anyway (did I say the Flames?), but the Flyers is a totally different story. They have great prospects (that Howson/Patrick want) and when Jagr’s year is up they will have to fill his position. They are also not afraid to make a big move, and Holmgren and Howson talked a lot about Nash already.If this is a team on Nash’s list I think they may be a great fit willing to pay a good price.

The Red Wings could also make a play for him, especially if this is Lidstrom’s last year. Plus, if Nash says that the list has been expanded, nobody needs to know by how much. Either way, you will get interested teams thinking that there are many more teams involved which should further drive up the price. It’s a win-win, because then Nash will look better and Howson will get a better deal.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, completely read Flyers wrong as I was just skimming it. I could see Flyers going after him, but I dont think they will offer as much as Rangers.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If they trade him to the Red Wings I’m fuckin’ done.

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by Dan P. on Feb 28, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

Scotty doesn't know...

by CBJKing on Feb 28, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Patrick’s not the idiot that ran his mouth to the media and made this public. If they both spoke about this and agreed for Howson to say this, then absolutely, I agree part of the blame is on Patrick. But he doesn’t quite have the blemishes on his record that Howson has, at least, as far as this franchise is concerned, so it doesn’t make him look nearly as bad.

by Toxichighway on Feb 27, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You really dont think Howson talked to Patrick about making it public? Seriously? They spent the entire day together. I am sure they went over what they would say and what to make public

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, it was worded very carefully, and I’m sure Patrick had a say also.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Howson also said he talked to Nash about it, so obviously Patrick knew he was going to do it.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If that’s the case, then like I said, he deserves partial blame.

by Toxichighway on Feb 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, the ugliness is clearly out of the bag now.

What needs to be done now? Is this even remotely fixable? How can this franchise recover? Thoughts?

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Fire everyone

Trade everyone else. Go from there.

But seriously, yes fire everyone.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We recover by getting the greatest value possible for Nash which is what Howson is trying to accomplish. By “outing” Nash he will hopefully expand his list of acceptable teams so that we can get more in return.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash's agent made it very clear that the list of teams would not expand.

Posturing? Intimidation?

Howson has the leverage in that he never has to trade Nash. He “listens” to offers but they’re never “good enough.” What now?

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by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact is, now that Howson said he demanded a trade Nash has to expand his list a bit.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the key to Howson’s thinking and very important for the organization. We have to get maximum value for Nash, and we simply weren’t offered that today.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is, now that people know Nash asked to be traded we wont be able to receive an offer better than what we got today.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with this. The offers should be better when more teams are in play due to cleared cap space, bad playoffs – needing upgrades etc. For instance I think that the Flyers could make a move for Nash when Jagr’s contract is up. As it stood now, pretty much only the Rangers were serious and they knew that very well. I would have been very upset with Howson for taking their deal. Nash would have essentially forced the organization to take a bad offer for him. Thank you Howson for not doing that!

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It really wasnt a bad offer. They were giving up a lot for a big contract.

The thing is, teams now know that we are for sure trading Nash. Before we could have just pulled back and said “you know what, the offers arent good enough were taking Nash off the block”. Teams now know that he has to be traded, why would they offer the world for him now?

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I said the same thing elsewhere.

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They will offer the world for Nash because he is a world class player, and there will be more competition to get him. That a player will for sure be let go by a team, has not been an issue for creating high prices before. This is not an inventory issue, but all about how many offers they get. That’s what drives up the price.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The leverage is that he made Nash look like the bad guy, which is not unimportant for a guy with such a clean reputation. The worst that can happen is that he doesn’t expand his list, and then what have we lost? We got a semi decent deal from the Rangers (supposedly) but that’s not near enough in my opinion. I would have been much more upset if Howson actually agreed to an offer that wasn’t that great.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, so Howson revisits the NYR after outing Nash. Who says the NYR offer the same deal?

Now, the Rangers know that everyone is unhappy and do they shorten their offer?

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The thinking is that after the playoffs, there will be more teams in play (cleared cap space, bad playoff experience etc.) – think the Flyers. Plus nobody really knows what teams are on the list. I certainly hope they don’t

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

True - you figure there are 29 other teams in the NHL.

There’s no telling who is or isn’t on the list. I wonder if we’ll ever know…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not in any way trying to apologize for any of Howson’s previous mistakes, but I think he did the right thing today actually. Nash is our big chance to rebuild the team and we can’t just give him away because he wants out. Sorry Nash, but it doesn’t work that way. And yes, I think that more teams will get in on the action at the end of the season.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My mother's fear is that Nash will end up a Red Wing. It would devastate her.

Personally, I hope he goes to the East where the Jackets won’t face him as much…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually the Red Wings is rumored to be a team on the “list” and they might make an offer this summer, especially if Lidstrom’s salary comes off the books.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash in Detroit would suck a whole lot worse than Commodore in Detroit, that's for sure!

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Commodore was traded today to Tampa. Go figure! I really don’t miss him at all.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that! I was stunned.

And I don’t miss Commie, either. I had such high expectations for him, too…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was okay the first year, until he said that it didn’t matter that the Jackets lost the last few games of the season because they had already made the playoffs. The thing is, had they showed up for those games we wouldn’t have had to play the damn Red Wings. Also, I loved how all his passes were ankle high slap shots. And he was a douche.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

There must be something in the CBJ water...

…all of these guys are dynamos and bruisers and gung ho but as soon as they come here, the wheels fall off…

Winning cures all as I have said before.

And I didn’t know that Commodore was a douche. That’s a shame as well.

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think you are right about the water. That has to be it! In regards to Big Mike being a douche, I am completely basing this on rumors and heresay. Cool hair though…

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on the hair!

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Commodore is not a douche. He seems like a great guy. This is based on what teammates seem to think about him and what he says on twitter.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is based on some people I know that partied with him, so who knows what’s true. When there’s alcohol involved, people do stupid things. I heard the same thing about Boll by the way. Also, I met both of them at a voluntary function for kids with special needs (mandatory for the players) and Boll and Commodore were the only players not showing any interest in the people there or taking any part in the work. The other players were great! That doesn’t mean that they are not nice guys, but I didn’t get a very good impression.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The same things stand in terms of on-ice product as they did pre-deadline. If a goalie can be found, many things get fixed all at once. The youth scoring in the AHL will eventually come up, and a proper defensive-defenseman would be nice.

As for the franchise? I don’t know what can be done with Howson, Patrick and company running the show. Howson’s fingerprints are all over the franchise and he cannot be without blame. Patrick, in sitting by to watch this happen, is also slightly at blame but may be more worthwhile to the (generally) inexperienced franchise. Firing people seems like the only way to cleanse everything. It’s going to be a miserable offseason, that’s for damn sure.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Patrick watching Howson torch the place so he can take over when ownership fires Howson?

Give Howson enough rope, etc…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The conspiracy theory – I like it! Actually Patrick has said he doesn’t want to be GM again, but who knows.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, tin foil hats for all!

Makes you wonder why Patrick came on board if not to one day be in charge in some fashion…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you guys not wearing tin foil hats? And you think I am crazy… I truly think Patrick is just a senior adviser, many teams have that now actually. Very smart guy from everything I have heard. I think he may be more of a “big picture guy” which is what Howson needs.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish the Jackets had the brain trust in place that St. Louis does...

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree. Patrick is just an advisor. The guy isn’t willing to uproot his family and move to Columbus. He’s 65 years old. His gig with the Blue Jackets is a nice cushy job that allows him to still be involved in the game that he loves without the intense pressure to perform that comes with being on the coaching staff or a GM.

Scotty doesn't know...

by CBJKing on Feb 28, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Game's up Nash!

Howson may have made mistakes along the way as a GM, but I strongly disagree with those saying that the Nash trade debacle is Howson’s fault.

So here is what I have deduced from today’s trade deadline and Scott Howson’s already infamous press conference. Apparently Rick Nash asked to be traded in January and gave Howson a list of a very select few teams that he would accept. He also told Howson not to say that he was in fact the one asking for a trade (my interpretation), and persisted in saying "no comment" to the Media when the subject came up. He then put pressure on the Jackets, via his agent, by claiming that his list would not change at a later date if he was not traded by the deadline. The select list combined with the fact that several of these teams may have had cap issues or other more pressing needs, as well as the high asking price, led to very few teams competing for Nash. Howson did apparently receive a few offers late in the day, but from what I have heard nothing spectacular was ever on the table.

At a later news conference Howson explains the situation, including the fact that Nash was the one asking for a deal and that his list severely limited the offers. So why would he do that? Is he just throwing Nash under the bus because he is upset with Nash? Well, there could be another reason. Howson wants maximum return for his biggest asset and he will never get that if only a few teams are in play. By "outing" Nash he has now put pressure on Nash to expand the list so that more teams can be in play after the season. As a CBJ fan, I can only conclude that this was a smart move. Why should the Jackets give up the one and only chance to get great value for Nash, just because he wants to leave now. I can fully understand why he wants to go to another team, but I don’t want the organization to give him up for anything but a very high prize.

I also understand completely why people are upset with the situation. With all the build up and hype before the trade deadline, we were all hoping that a wonderful deal would materialize and that Nash could leave on good terms. However, as a Jackets fan it is my opinion that the needs of the team and the organization should always come before those of an individual player – even a great player like Nash. I have always maintained that Nash is a class act and a great ambassador for hockey and Columbus, and I still believe that to be true. However, it appears that he tried to paint the organization into a corner, and gambled that a deal could be reached before the trade deadline. Well, Nash gambled and lost this time. Faced with a lose-lose scenario, Howson didn’t let Nash dictate the terms of his departure and took back the initiative by putting pressure on Nash to be more reasonable. Good for him and good for the organization.

Mr. Nash, I will always be thankful for your (previous) commitment to Columbus and for what you have accomplished on the ice. But for the first time ever, I can’t say that I will be sorry to see you leave. Thanks for the memories and good luck. But before you go, I hope you do the right thing and expand your list of teams so that we can at least have the best possible chance to rebuild our team.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Mildly related – check out the ONN Jackets special that’s on right now and that will repeat at 8:30. It’s another very good conversation about the team and a discussion about how the deadline went, how the Nash thing happened, and where they go from here.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

I've Had It

Fire Howson. Bring in a real GM (Craig Patrick, white courtesy phone.). Trade Nash. Get rid of Mase. Let all the UFAs go and pack the roster with kids. Will we have an up and down season, next year? Sure, but they’ll probably be fun to watch.

by Westside Paul on Feb 27, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well I think that the nuclear option is what they are trying to go for, but they (Howson/Patrick) are not going to let Nash or anyone else go for peanuts, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Even beyond all the Nash stuff, I found great difficulty with this year’s trade deadline because the Jackets did not purge the whole team. They only went partway. Carter, Vermette, and Pahlsson went out. But MacKenzie, Nash, Umberger, Tyutin and others remain. I realize that contracts make some of them difficult to move and (particularly for Nash) the team wants to maximize return… but if this is a rebuild, why only go partway right now? Why not push further? This half-rebuild thing isn’t very encouraging.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

Reshape, not rebuild. Thus, your disappointment.

And I agree—we were led to believe there would be so much more movement…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know what Howson was offered for these guys? Why give them away for free? The end of the season is usually better for those kinds of deals.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Did they ever say they were going to clear house? I’ll admit, I expected more, but I really don’t think they are that far away from a solid team. Why blow it up when all it needs are a few tweaks?

by Toxichighway on Feb 27, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I should say, “When all it MAY need are a few tweaks?”

by Toxichighway on Feb 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont thinkhe wanted to get rid of Umby or Tyutin. Their contracts arent going to matter for a while now that we are “reshaping” or whatever you want to call it. He wants Umby to bring the veteran leadership and he wants to be here. He wants Tyutin to help Nikitin keep growing and they have been a really solid duo.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 27, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This makes me wonder how badly Jeff Carter wanted out.

I believe he is the type of talent the Jackets need. Certainly rebuild around he and Nash. Sad.

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I do agree that this is all sad, especially because people, including myself, love(d) Nash. I didn’t have anything against Carter and I think he played pretty well for us considering his injuries, but the more I read about it the more it seems he didn’t want to be here. Go JJ!

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think there is a chance that RJ will be traded, but only if the right deal comes along. Howson loves Tyutin so he will not be traded.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming Howson is around...

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Purging fire please

There needs to be a complete overhaul of this entire organization. Priest and Howson, fired. Hire a competent GM who comes in, and first order of business, getting his people in place in the scouting/development department. Come draft day, Nash hits the trade market.

Start the 2012-13 season completely fresh.

Anyone who had any part of this disaster needs to go. Nash and Howson both.

by Josh Owen on Feb 27, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Even though I don’t agree that Howson will or should be fired, this would not be a horrible time to do it. Right before the deadline would have obviously been bad timing, but now there is probably enough time before the next trades are made to make a change. Especially if Patrick stays around to oversee the transition.

by Ville A on Feb 27, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Now is the time to do it. Let the transition start, and let the new GM overhaul the scouting department, and get fresh faces in place. At least with few remaining games this season, he can start to figure out what he has to work with, and get a deeper evaluation of the talent on his roster.

Come draft day, we have a good place to start, and a GM that can start picking up the pieces for the future.

by Josh Owen on Feb 27, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The concern I have is that the ownership have allowed Howson/Patrick to go this far. If they were going to get canned, I would not have expected them to be allowed to move Carter and try to move Nash. Now that they’re still involved this far, I don’t feel like they’ll be let go. And it’s unfortunate.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

As I've asked before,

Why would you let the guys responsible for this mess be the ones allowed to rebuild?

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Feb 27, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. And I don’t know why, but that seems to be what is happening/will happen.

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by zekebud on Feb 27, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This organizations toleration for incompetance knows no bounds.

by Josh Owen on Feb 27, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Tin foil hats again

What if Howson never had any intention of actually trading Nash (perhaps because the organization would not let him)? By leaking to the press that he was on the trade block, Nash and his agent tried to force Howson to make a trade. When they saw a trade was unlikely to happen, they tried to put more pressure on him with the “trade list will not expand” comment. The price was “very high” because unless someone traded the farm for Nash, Howson and Patrick were not going to trade him because Howson is on his GM deathbed.

Scotty doesn't know...

by CBJKing on Feb 28, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

well, since howson ratted out nash, i say there is now a 100% chance nash is traded over the summer

that is unless howson is fired…. but if nash is a lame duck and said he dosnt want to be here, dont u gotta take off the C right now? how are these young rebuilding guys suppose to look up to nash when he said he wants to leave as the captain?

by Berecki on Feb 27, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

I think that is a great idea.

How about right before the last game of the year so the last thing the team remembers from this year will be the occupy nationwide.

And Plus I’ll be in town.

by Gr8fulnfa on Feb 27, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Barry Melrose on Nash

Bring in new G.M. and coach and try to get Nash to stay in Columbus.

by Joe Barnhart on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

This whole situation is horrible.

by doug32674 on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

So this is what despair feels like

Regardless of what you think of Nash’s actions, the fact is that Scott Howson has completely bungled his handling of this. What exactly throwing Nash under the bus like he did today supposed to accomplish?

Supposedly this will force Nash to expand his list of trade destinations…how is that supposed to work exactly? Nash’s camp, obviously not very pleased by getting sucker-punched this way, have already come out and said the list won’t change.

Meanwhile, now every other team in the NHL knows that Nash wants out. If Howson couldn’t get a satisfactory deal done now, how is he going to get a better one in the off-season when every potential trading partner is aware Columbus is bargaining from a weaker position?

But hey, this is actually a pretty shrewd move by Howson if you consider it from the perspective that it divides the fanbase. Now that the team’s ever-shrinking cadre of fans are busy arguing about Nash and whether it was right for him to ask for a trade, whether he’s a good captain, etc. etc, attention will be diverted from the concrete facts of what Howson has (and hasn’t) actually accomplished as GM:

Setting the whole Nash business aside, this is another trade deadline where we’ve shuffled around 3rd- and 4th-line guys, got nothing that directly addresses one of the team’s many obvious needs, and picked up a few extra prospects and/or draft picks which are supposed to string us fans along even though the current regime has given us absolutely no reason to have any confidence about their ability to draft well or develop prospects.

I have grown up with this team, been following them for a dozen years now, and there have been lots of times along the way where I thought I had reached the point of despair, but this is lower than them all. Actually, this is more than despair, this is turning into outright apathy. I have already taken down the Rob Arra photo of the first face-off in the inaugural game, and I don’t wear my Jackets regalia out in public anymore.

by Dan Middleton on Feb 27, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

But hey, this is actually a pretty shrewd move by Howson if you consider it from the perspective that it divides the fanbase. Now that the team’s ever-shrinking cadre of fans are busy arguing about Nash and whether it was right for him to ask for a trade, whether he’s a good captain, etc. etc, attention will be diverted from the concrete facts of what Howson has (and hasn’t) actually accomplished as GM:

And Nationwide will be like a ghost town.

by Gr8fulnfa on Feb 27, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That it will. You can already scalp tickets for $10 before game time, and I’ve gotten free ones from a few of the guys outside R Bar after the game has already started.

Now I suspect the scalpers will start offering people cash to take the tickets off their hands.

by Josh Owen on Feb 28, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i by no means am a coolaid drinker but

“, this is another trade deadline where we’ve shuffled around 3rd- and 4th-line guys, got nothing that directly addresses one of the team’s many obvious needs” they did make the biggest trade of the deadline if you dont remember.. carter for a very good defenseman and a 1st round pick… at least our blue line appears to be in order

by Berecki on Feb 28, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I am still skeptical on Johnson

He seems like a nice player and at least he by all appearances he wants to be here (which is more than could ever be said for Carter). On the other hand, while I don’t think plus-minus tells a whole story, his is horrific and he played on a very good defensive team. Meanwhile, we have given up the second most goals in the NHL right now (only Tampa Bay has given up more) and you can’t blame that ALL on Steve Mason. If we were going to get a defenseman I would rather have a true defensively-minded shutdown type of guy.

As for the pick…it’s nice to hope and dream about, but again, I don’t have any faith in this organization to use the pick on the right guy, or not mishandle his development.

by Dan Middleton on Feb 28, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i dunno, steve mason has been pretty awful

just compare his numbers to sanfords. sanford is a career backup who hasnt played in 3 years and almost retired, and his numbers are decent with this exact team that mason plays with. now imagine the numbers an actual solid starting goalie would put up here. the defense here is not the problem, in fact its by far our strongest point. sunday we had 40 goals show on us one because pittsburg has the best player in the world, and because our offense is so bad we can never control the puck. im not worried about johnson, but i am worried if he is going to be paired with wiz.. i like both players but not playing together

by Berecki on Feb 28, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Mason has only played in roughly half the games, though.

by Dan Middleton on Feb 28, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe our defense is that great that Mason is SO terrible he can put our goals against that low only playing in half the games.

Make no mistake: there is NO unit or dimension of this team that is actually good.

by Dan Middleton on Feb 28, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The only “unit” that is good is the individual play of a few guys.

Brassard has been great post-Arniel.

Nash is Nash.

Prospal is a good leader, and although his production has fallen off from his early season pace, he’s still a great player to watch.

Sanford has been surprising. If he hadn’t played at such a high level, this team would be so far gone it’s disgusting to think about.

by Josh Owen on Feb 28, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

No no, Mason really is that bad this year. A save percentage below .900 is laughable. Seriously, it’s unprecedented and is absolutely the key weak point of the whole franchise. With only a healthy Sanford the team would still be bad, but they wouldn’t be “worst in franchise history” bad.

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by zekebud on Feb 28, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Throughout the season, both have been terrible. (Not trying to start this discussion again, just want to make one point)
Now, with the acquisition of Johnson, Mason has no excuses. Our defense is at least NHL comparable. We still have a bottom seven defensive unit in the NHL without Methot, but it is still better than before. We may not be better in the defensive zone, but we should not be in the defensive zone as much with Johnson. Thus less pressure on the goalie.
If Mason continues to be terrible (which all signs point to yes), than its absolutely his fault. Still not all his fault, but mostly.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 28, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont understand what your saying here

mason half, sanford half… mason BAD, sanford decent.. its clear as day… so under your logic sanford must be an all star calliber goalie because hes putting up OK numbers with a “terrible defense unit” the defense is by no means elite, but i think they, when healthy, will be an above average unit. there are good teams out there like the hawks who wish their goalie put up numbers like sanford.. ottawa another example

by Berecki on Feb 28, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

What I’m saying is you cannot dismiss the fact that our goals against is second-worst in the league and claim our defense is OK just because Mason is bad. I think that’s simplistic.

by Dan Middleton on Feb 28, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

what im saying is if u omit masons numbers, and only count sanford, whohas played enough games imo for this stat to be acceptable

then our goals against would be around league average… and thats with a guy who hasnt played in 3 years and by no means is that good

by Berecki on Feb 28, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

let me put it this way.. sanfords gaa is 2.58

and lets even assume if he played more games it would shoot to, lets say 2.65.. im giving you the benefit (and these numbers are without johnson, who will be one of our better defenders) … there are 15 teams out there with a gaa higher than sanfords. and i understand that includes some backups, so lets say sanford, plus backup goalie gaa would be around 2.80.. that is still 10 teams with a higher gaa. so you could say, we have the 10th worst defense… but if u factor in sanford is a no body backup goalie… and ive added a lot of hypothetical goals against, and all of this is without johnson.. you gotta think our defense has to move up to at least better than average

by Berecki on Feb 28, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnson DIDN'T Play on a very good offensive team though...

And when you win by only 1 goal many times, it doesn’t take long to add up…

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by PomeroyCBJFan on Feb 28, 2012 6:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is what I will say

As a Rangers fan (and one who wanted Nash to boot) I wouldn’t have made that trade. It’s simply too much of the future and, as George pointed out above, those aren’t just “throw-in” prospects.

Maybe if Nash had a smaller contract or even less years, and also maybe if he didn’t demand to be traded, but that’s quite a bit for a guy who is going to get moved anyway. Just my opinion.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 28, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed 100% Joe.

It’s 3 of our 4 best prospects, a 1st rounder, and a 20-25 guy (most years) for a 35-30 guy.

I for one am very happy Howson said no.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 28, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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