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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Nuclear or Not?

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Over the past few days, a ho-hum trade deadline was made all the more interesting with the news that Rick Nash may be available for trade. We've discussed the Nash issue on its own, and Matt took a look at overall team needs. What I'd like to do here is visit the concept of the team going "nuclear", that is, blowing up the team at the deadline and at the end of the season, gutting the team of its current core and acquiring current and future assets.

I'm hoping this is the last time I use the term "nuclear", since it was first coined by Columbus ownership. This was before the Nash news went mainstream, but the option of gutting the team is still very much at the forefront. The question remains however, is it wise to nuke the Jackets, or would the organization be better off with some serious, but non-sweeping changes?

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If the high explosive option is the preferred method of rebuilding the team by management and ownership, the Jackets have a handful of players that could change addresses.

Up front, I'm going to assume some locks for next season. The list is short- Ryan Johansen, Derek Dorsett and Vinny Prospal. Johansen is a rookie, with the ability to be a future number-one center. Dorsett is in the midst of a breakout season, and he's worth more to the Jackets than anything they could possibly get in a trade. Prospal just re-signed for next season, with a gentleman's agreement to stay with the team after his playing days are over.

This leaves quite a cast of characters that could be on the move. Starting with the plumbers, Colton Gillies, Jared Boll, Ryan Russell and Derek MacKenzie, these four players all have limited trade value. Gillies was acquired off of waivers mid-way through the season, in a move that on the surface looks like a request from coach Todd Richards. Gillies is also signed for next season, taking him out of the rental equation. Derek MacKenzie has been a consistent fourth line energy player for the Jackets, and though he's an impending free agent, there may not be a market for him. If there is, the return will likely be in the 6th-7th round pick range. Boll is also a free agent at season's end, but with Dorsett's breakout and willingness to drop the mitts Boll may be on the way out. Whether he is moved at the deadline for a late pick, or just not offered a qualifying offer at season's end, I can't see Boll being with the team next season. Russell has shown hustle, determination and is an inexpensive option for the bottom six. He's a free agent this summer, but I think he's earned a look next year, whether it's in Springfield or Columbus.

Further up the rung is the group of Sammy Pahlsson, R.J. Umberger, Antoine Vermette and Mark Letestu. Pahlsson is almost assuredly gone at the deadline. He's the ideal checking center, ideal for the playoffs. The Jackets can likely expect a mid-round pick, maybe as high as a second rounder for him. Letestu was another mid-season acquisition, with one more year left on his deal. I can't see the Jackets moving him, given his ability to put up points on the powerplay and his low salary. If a team came with an offer that pleased the team however, he's long gone. Now for the interesting part- Umberger and Vermette. These two players both signed extensions recently, and are the Jackets' most versatile players. They are both having terrible seasons, but have above-average value. If the team moves one of, or both of these players, it would signify a radical change to the core of the team. Early round picks and/or prospects would be the likely haul if they were dealt.

The next group of forwards potentially up for grabs are Kristian Huselius and Derick Brassard. Huselius' trade value is essentially nil, given his lost season. He's a free agent this summer, and I don't see a scenario where he is with the team next season. He doesn't seem close to returning from injury, so he'll likely sit out the string. Brassard on the other hand, should be taken out of trade discussion. He's been fantastic of late, putting up points and showing more confidence than he has in years. His move to the point on the powerplay has led to real success for the Jackets while on the man advantage. That said, if Rick Nash is rumored to be on the trading block, Brassard isn't a lock to remain with the team by any stretch of the imagination. His value would be relatively high at the deadline, given his recent run of hot play. Playoff-bound teams looking for a boost up the middle would love to add a player of Brassard's ilk.

Speaking of Nash, he and Jeff Carter are the final two forwards that warrant discussion. Without talking trade value (we've beat that horse to death) moving one or both of those players would signal that the team is doing a complete overhaul of the roster. No tweaking, we're talking a full-on, scorched earth approach. Let's look at what could be left on July 2nd, after free agency has kicked in:

OUT: Nash, Carter, Umberger, Vermette, Huselius, Pahlsson and Boll.
REMAINING: Brassard, Johansen, Dorsett, Prospal, Gillies, Letestu, Russell and MacKenzie.

While it's rather far-fetched to think all seven of those above players would be gone, it would definitely be nuclear. You have to think that at least one warm body would be coming back in a trade, leaving nine remaining forwards. It looks a lot like Nail Yakupov will be a member of the Jackets' organization next season, but whether he's NHL ready is another story. If recent history suggests anything though, the first overall pick will likely be in a Columbus uniform next season. That makes ten. The other three spots? We've got the AHL's top sniper in Cam Atkinson. Matt Calvert stands as good a shot as anybody to be on the team next year. Tomas Kubalik has been with the team for stretches. There's thirteen forwards. Visually:

Prospal - Brassard - Atkinson
Yakupov - Johansen - Kubalik
Calvert - MacKenzie - Dorsett
Warm Body - Letestu - Gillies
Russell

On paper, brutal. That said, it does remind me a bit of this season's Edmonton Oilers. A mostly young team, with a couple of veterans sprinkled in. Make no mistake though, there is a lot of talent there. The top six will be exciting, if nothing else. The bottom six has role players who can kill penalties, play on the powerplay, and score the occasional goal.

Again, this is the worst-case scenario. The blow-it-to-kingdom-come method. If even one of Nash or Carter is still with the team, look at how much better everything looks. Maybe only one of Umberger or Vermette is dealt, giving the player that stays an opportunity to put this season behind him. Umberger in the top six instead of Kubalik would make us all sleep better at night.

There aren't as many question marks with the defense. James Wisniewski isn't going anywhere. He's had a lost season, but he is the team's most exciting defenseman, with the ability to put up serious offensive totals. John Moore and David Savard are two young players who the defense will be built around. Nikita Nikitin, another mid-season acquisition, was arguably the team's top shutdown defender before going down with an injury. Aaron Johnson and Grant Clitsome are two players that should be discussed in the nuclear conversation. Both players take chances with the puck, leading to points. That said, their play has been up and down, and Moore and Savard make them expendable. Now comes the interesting part- what to do with Marc Methot and Fedor Tyutin? Tyutin is the team's most complete defenseman. Even in a rebuild, you need to avoid getting blown out every game. Tyutin puts up points, and is relatively steady in his zone. He would fetch a decent package in a trade, but like some other players on the roster, his value to the Jackets may be greater than the return. With Nikitin playing so well, does this open the door for a Methot trade? If you're going nuclear, then it sure does.

If all of those forwards are dealt, you have to think a blueliner is part of the packages acquired. Would it be a Jack Johnson from the Kings? A Del Zotto from the Rangers? Ballard from the Canucks? Let's assume that the team does receive a blueliner. The team can then dip into free agency for a guy to fill the seventh spot. Or hell, keep Clitsome.

Nuclear visual:

Tyutin - Nikitin
Moore - Wisniewski
Savard - Trade Acquisition
Free Agent

We know the goaltending will be different, so there's no need to discuss these guys in a nuclear or not scenario.

A look at the lineups I posted above shows a team without stars, without the core we've come to recognize the past few seasons. After spitting it all out on paper, it doesn't look so bad. The forwards will have growing pains, but the talent is there. The defense is actually well-balanced, with real talent. This is where the comparison to the Oilers ends. The Oilers defense needs more work that Columbus' . This lineup will be in the mix for another lottery pick in 2013, but another stud forward in that draft will bring hope for the future. That pick, along with Yakupov, Johansen, Brassard, Atkinson and Kubalik, not to mention pluggers like Dorsett, Calvert and down the road Boone Jenner will give the Jackets a potent group up front.

To summarize this book of a post, I'd be OK with the nuclear option. Any of Nash, Carter, Umberger or Vermette that remains with the team is a bonus. We can all hope that this season was an aberration, and most of the players can right the ship and take this team back to the playoffs.

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If by some odd stroke of luck Nash gets traded, there will be an uprising in Columbus that you have never seen before. It could practically put this team on the road to moving to Vegas or some other city wanting a hockey team. I for one, would probably lose all sense of trust in management (suprising that I haven’t yet). It’s a completely different scenario compared the the LeBron saga. He wanted to leave, Nasher doesn’t want to go at all. It’s all on management. You can’t really blame the players for it.

In lieu of my general knowledge of business, I’d probably opt for the non-nuclear option, and my following roster could go as follows. I’m not much for assuming that Nail Yakupov will be selected either. If it happens, then it happens.

2012-2013 Forward Lines
Nash – Carter – Prospal
Umberger – Brassard – Atkinson
Calvert – Johansen – Dorsett
Free Agent/Trade/Draft – Letestu – Free Agent/Trade/Draft
(Throw in Kubalik as a spare forward)

I left the open slots on the 4th line to keep the top three lines clean. It would be nice to pickup a free agent like Andrei Kostitsyn or David Jones and practically have four scoring lines. A draft pick that can play at the NHL level would be great, or trading for someone could work as well. Trade Vermette or Gillies with a pick to get someone.

Forwards that are gone – Huselius, Vermette, Pahlsson, Boll, Gillies, MacKenzie, R. Russell

Tyutin – Wisniewski
Nikitin – J. Moore
Savard – Free Agent/Trade/Draft
Free Agent/Trade/Draft

In keeping the core D men around, I feel pretty safe having Tyutin and Wisniewski together. I don’t see Nikitin as a top pair defenseman. I like him a lot though.
So we pick up someone in a trade or free agency to play on 3rd line and a 7th D-man. Hopefully we can get some value for Methot or Clitsome, trade them out. Matt Gilroy is a decent free agent next year, fairly cheap.

D-men that are gone – Methot, Clitsome, Martinek, Lebda, Johnson

Goalies
Sanford – whether he is starting or not, he’s a great goalie.
Free Agent/Trade/Draft

I’d like to see us get Jonas Gustavsson off the wire. He’s a big target and I have watched him play for Toronto. He’s a lot better than Mason. You could trade for a goalie but there are a lot of teams adopting tandem goalies. I’d be interested to see a duo like Sanford and Gustavsson as a tandem. Who says a goalie needs to start 60 games?

Take my post with a grain of salt. I didn’t talk about cap hits or any of that, because I frankly don’t care. This is just one of the dream scenarios I’d like to see. I didn’t get into trades because I didn’t have a lot of time to scour the NHL player database to find the perfect fit.

by Denarchy on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

That roster looks great if we are shooting for 10th or 11th

by Re-SignZherdev on Feb 17, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hope Sanford is not our starting goalie next year. Chances are slim he still plays the same way.
Not a fan of “The Monster”. Too inconsistent. Hes like a little better of a version of Mason.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just hope that it isn’t a plan of “trade the UFAs, and trade Nash and Carter only” simply because they can get more pieces for them. There’d be a LOT of bloated salary left on this roster if they don’t.

I don’t want Nash to go, but if he does they’d better trade the ENTIRE roster as well.

This roster MINUS Nash and Carter PLUS a goalie and defenseman and Yakupov would not make me happy.

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by Dan P. on Feb 17, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

This roster MINUS Nash and Carter PLUS a goalie and defenseman and Yakupov would not make me happy.

If this happens I have to imagine the current team would look like the all-star team in comparison.

I’m not really a big fan of trading Nash or Carter. It seems to me though that the team needs to try to put lines of players together. Right now the team has like 6 centers. Can they decide on which four or five should be around and try to pair two wingers with them that complement their skills. Maybe Vermette, Umberger and Dorsett would make a good checking line. Brassard, Nash and ?. Prospal, Carter and ? The team has seems to have struggled to find two forwards and a center to play on a line and have good chemistry except maybe the current grouping of Brassard, Nash and Umberger.

Idk, just my 2 cents.

by Gr8fulnfa on Feb 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The one problem I see with the above lines is that it doesnt take into account the roster players we get back from a Nash/ Carter trade, which will likely be a decent roster player.
One other thing, I really worry for our lack of size next year. Our average size will be terrible. Maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing to keep a Boll around just to hold court for a year

by cbjfan14 on Feb 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

I know that we have talked about this before (Smurfs LOL) but you actually bring up a very good point about size. If we lose Carter, Nash, Pahlsson, Boll and possibly Umberger, and we bring up Calvert, Atkinson and (hopefully) Yakupov, we just became a really small team. Obviously there will be players coming to us in those deals, and they may be bigger, but size (or lack there of) may still be an issue. Kubalik and Johansen are big but still have some growing to do, and if we don’t get Yakupov we might pick Gregorenko who is also a big stud. Either way, this is something that Howson will seriously have to consider, especially since he has said that size is an important part of our identity (whatever that means).

by Ville A on Feb 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Size and character.
Just to change the tide a bit, I think that if we dont pick Yakupov we wont pick Grigorenko either. The reason being is I that I think the main reason we would pass on Yakupov would be because he is Russian. Same with Grigorenko. Besides, Yakupov is the best player available in the draft, I would be pissed off to the max if we didnt pick him. Would be a travesty IMO.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 17, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I recently read an article about Grigorenko comparing him to Malkin, and that he may be the number 1 pick in the end. However, from what I have seen he doesn’t look nearly as dynamic as Yakupov, and I think that a fast and highly skilled playmaking type player like Nail is exactly what this team needs. He also plays a pretty physical style for a smaller guy. His skating and the way that he bounces of checks actually reminds me a little bit of Crosby. They both have that low center of gravity with strong legs. Anyway, I sincerely hope that we get to pick first and take Yakupov, but if we don’t get the first pick, a guy like Grigorenko is not a bad consolation prize. If Howson decides against Russian born players because of some preceived character flaw, then I give up.

by Ville A on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They are both obviously great players and I dont see a lot of either of them, I just go by hype and the little bit I have seen.
I know in the three mock drafts on NHL.com the three writers (Morrealle, Hoffner, Kimelman) have him going 4, 3, and 3. I know Craig Button has him down somewhere around 8.
Bob McKenzie has said that scouts have told him the dividing line in this years draft is “Nail and everyone else” and every single mock draft I have heard has Yakupov going first.
Hes gotta be the best player available and I sincerily hope we pick him. With first overall pick you have to pick best player, not what you necessarily need. And we definately do need a player like him anyway.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 18, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the point Ville is considering is that there is a lottery after all. We may not end up with the first pick even if we have the worst record.

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by notthatnoise on Feb 18, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Im assuming we do have the first pick in these. And if we dont, I would probably expect to take a defensemen actually.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 18, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, so here is my take on the draft. I am assuming that Howson will trade Carter and Nash etc. to primarily upgrade the goaltending and the defense. This will leave us with less talent in the top six than we have now. If we get to pick first in the draft, we should pick Yakupov because he is the most dynamic and talented forward. If we pick second, we should go for a guy like Grigorenko, because this gives us two talented and big centers, Johansen being the second, which is a great way to build your top six. See this link for the article I mentioned above about Grigorenko. http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=6549

You do however raise a very good point about possibly acquiring a defenseman in the draft, because the draft is very deep this year with talented d-men. In a perfect world, I would like to see us get a Nr.1 draft pick as part of a Nash or Carter deal so that we can both get Yakupov and a good defensive prospect, but the team that may deal with us have lower first round picks so that’s very unlikely. Anyways, it’ll be really interesting to see what happens up to the trade deadline. The latest rumor is that the Flyers are interested in Nash, which would suggest that the Jackets are not going after a top defenseman in the Nash deal. We shall see what happens…

by Ville A on Feb 18, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

A high pick would be great in order to get a top defensemen in the system.
I think there is another team that people should keep their eye on as a dark horse for Carter: Buffalo. Pegula and the Sabres are desperate to win. They will do anything, as shown by giving Leino 4.5 million dollars for six years.
They are up against the Cap, but after the season Boyes, Hecht, Gaustad all are UFA’s for a total of just under 10 million. Myers gets about a four million dollar pay increase. And they are likely to trade away Roy who has a four million dollar contract for another year.

I am not familiar with as many youngsters in their system as most teams, but that first pick sounds quite appetizing. Its bound to be high. Fourth overall right now. I could legitimately see their idiot GM Darcy make a stupid move to quench the thirst of Pegula.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 18, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Nash & Carter. I don’t expect GMSH will be overwhelmed (as he should be) by 2/27 or this summer for either one.

Both Nash & Carter should hold a presser, tell Porty or otherwise get the word out that they believe in C-Bus and WANT to be part of the solution, not the problem.

Draft Nail (or Mikhail), make a run @ Suter and worry about our bottom six in July. Quality NHL depth players are bound to be available after 7/1.

In the meantime, call this season yet another mulligan and take the off season serious. Not Juice serious but serious nonetheless…

by robbyjr04 on Feb 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

and…

As a Lake Erie Monster STH, COL just called our goalie, Cedrick Desjardins, up as a precaution because of a groin injury to JS Giguere. As much as I don’t want to say it, there is no way he survives waivers…

He should be given a shot in the NHL.

by robbyjr04 on Feb 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who Buys the Tickets?

If the CBJ go with the radical rebuild (aka nuclear option) suggested in the article, what entertainment value is there in buying tickets to see that team play? Whatever is coming back in the trades possible, looks very difficult to market to an audience used to seeing at least one bona fide all star on the roster.
And then I shudder to think of Rick Nash or RJ Umberger coming back to Columbus to play a game, or, in Nash’s case, the All Star Game.
I know things have to change, but the radical rebuild is really scarey when laid out on paper (screen?).

by Tom _Murrell on Feb 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Try watching Edmonton play sometime and your opinion will change, trust me. I would rather buy the tickets and watch a skilled group of player lose than watch what I do now.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 17, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I never cared much for Hitchcock’s or Arniel’s systems. Although I would like nothing more than for this team to finally win, I just hated the dump and chase methodology that they used. I would much rather see a skilled passing team like Chicago or Edmonton, even if that meant that we would sometimes lose 7-6. I know that to be successful in the playoffs you will eventually have to play defense, but that doesn’t mean that you have to be so system focused that you leave no room for creativity. I very much enjoy watching the skilled kids on the Oilers make the opposing teams dizzy with their passing plays.

With that said, I think that Tom brings up a good point. if we are really blowing up this team, it may take time for them to start winning and I wonder how patient the same people who are asking for a complete rebuild now will actually be when we are still losing a couple years from now. As fun as it would be for us hockey fans to see entertaining hockey, I’m not sure that the average Joe would consider buying tickets to see a losing team. Hopefully Howson and Patrick can find a way to both re-build and win, but I know this is probably unlikely.

by Ville A on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lines...

in my personal opinion…the jackets have what they need to succeed right now except for in goal!… the players need to put it all together, the coaches need to stop tinkering with the lines and let the players gel with each other, and the front office needs to trade away boll, mackenzie, pahlsson, methot, a. johnson and even mason, throw in some sort of picks and try to get goalie Brian Elliot from STL or even Corey Schneider from VAN. that would help out in the net, then the front office needs to call up some of our springfield players such as those who put points on the board…my lines would look like this…
line 1 : LW Nash C Brassard RW Prospal
line 2 : LW Atkinson C Carter RW Johansen
line 3 : LW Umberger C Vermette RW Kubalik
line 4 : LW Calvert C Russell RW Dorsett
healthy scratch: Giroux (this guy puts up points all day in the AHL, give him a chance)

yes…having a checking line is good and all, but if all they can do is check, then its not good at all…We need people that can score and people that can get those scorers the puck! Nash and Carter can never survive on the same line they are scorers…now, Prospal and Johansen can get those 2 the puck to score. Brassard and Atkinson can score and move the puck….this completes my top 2 lines…a goal scorer + a scorer/mover+ a puck mover = goals scored and possible Wins! Now the bottom 2 lines on the other hand have guys defensive and offensive abilities…I really like Vermette and Umberger on the same line, they play well together and you could almost call my 3rd line a checking line with the potential of scoring goals. The 4th line is harder for me to decipher, but they all have major hustle and Dorsett is finding himself able to put up some points like he did in the minors, Calvert can put up some points and Russell has speed and so far good defensive skills…and now my defensive Pairings

D1: Tyutin Wisniewski
D2: Nikitin Lebda
D3 Savard Moore

The Defensive side is harder to figure out, so any combo will do, but the talent is there along with some experience. Tyutin is a great 2way defender, Wiz can move the puck and put up points, Nikitin is very good defensively, Lebda played for DET (enough said), Savard and Moore are both still growing and have high ceilings…plus we still have some prospects in the minors…
Our weakest link…the Goalie!!! Mason plays to far out of the net too often and that is where i see him getting beat a lot. not to mention he doesnt play his rebounds very well. If we could get a good goalie there in place of Mason, such as Elliot or Schneider, that would give us a great chance to win games, and let Dainton and Forsberg learn the game in the minors!!!…now i am obviously not a scout for an NHL team or any member for that matter…but i have been a CBJ fan for their existence! and this is what I would like to see!!! any comments?

by Keelai on Feb 17, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

I actually agree with most of this with a few exceptions. Goaltending is huge and a good goalie can make any defense look good. It’s unfortunate that we will never know how good this team could have been with decent goaltending, good coaching and fewer injuries. However, when I loook at our defense I think we need at least one or two upgrades. Ideally we would get a new true top pair defensemen, but even if we add just one it should make a big difference.

by Ville A on Feb 17, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Nash and carter!

I think the best move for us would be to keep both of them… I would use umberger as the piece to get a goalie. And drop vermette and phalson. L.A. or Vancuver both could use someone like 18.. If it requires a pick which it shouldn’t we could easily give up a 3rd maybe a 2nd if we get someone extra.. Giving us a legit goalie and some sure fire power. With lines like Atkinson/brassard/Nash on line 1.. Line 2 with prospal/carter/johansen.. Line 3 kubalik/letestu/dorsett and line 4 with Russell/mackenzie/Gilles.. Bottom 6 could be different depending on free agency.. And we could look to get a top 4 dmen in the offseason as well since we would have at least 15 million off the books next year. Those top two lines look deadly!

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