Game 47 Game Thread: Columbus Blue Jackets at Detroit Red Wings
by Dan P. on Jan 21, 2012 6:00 PM EST
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I toyed with the idea of borrowing a page from Being John Malkovich and just typing four paragraphs of "Ledba" over and over again, but that's not the hard-hitting witty writing you've come to expect from me.
Suffice it to say, this game feels like a lamb being led to slaughter, and the Jackets' brass is convincing itself that Brett Lebda is an answer. Yes, let's not let promising rookie David Savard get more NHL experience when there's no real pressure; let's turn it over to a guy who was out of high-level pro hockey when the season started.
For every Mark Letestu move, their's a Brett Lebda move. It's like the universe balancing itself out.
Curtis Sanford should be back between the pipes for Columbus, but otherwise the lineup should be the same one that was iced (in more ways than one) against the Predators on Thursday.
Also, I hate the Red Wings, and think Todd Bertuzzi should be repeatedly groin-kicked at every opportunity.
Enjoy the game!
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Has Howson even offered a reason for bringing Lebda in? A hint? Anything? If anybody has a reason for it, I’d be interested.
You would think Craig Patrick would have said something. Guess he isnt as big of an influence as we though.
I don’t see any upside. Other than allowing Savard more time in the AHL to develop his skills. If that’s the case, then I’m on board…I’d rather him build confidence and develop in Springfield than be thrown to the wolves of the NHL and be exposed to the demoralizing losing. The Jackets have a history of rushing prospects, so I guess I understand.
Still, it seems there had to be better options available than L-3bda.
This is like his third or fourth game now. Rust shouldnt be an issue anymore. Maybe a little, but still.
…it’s been a long time. He hasn’t played but one period of preseason hockey since the end of last season. It takes a while to get your game back. Especially for a goaltender. I haven’t seen him play for Springfield, but from what I hear he’s just got to get his fundamentals down again. Just making mistakes and not getting angles, etc.
Right, I was just saying hes already played 3 or 4 games for Springfield. Most of the rush should be off by now. There will be the occasional goal but he has been bad.
It’s discouraging, since we have a lot invested in him as far as organizational depth at goaltender. There’s no one else…Mason has no future in Union Blue, Sanford is old, then there’s Dex, and no one.
Barring a miracle, we won’t be able to land a true #1 goaltender in trade or free agency, so……yeah. There’s that.
Gotta keep applying the physical game and the forecheck against the Wings. Other than Kronwall, they don’t have many guys that can answer to Dorsett, Boll, Gillies, and Mackenzie.
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Well, Bertuzzi...
But i agree, gotta be physical against the wings. Their old parts might start to break down.
Yes, him too. Still not as physical as he used to be.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow you guys really hate lebda. I guess I’m Just remembering his days in Detroit where he has more cup rings than the jackets have playoff wins. He showed potential in Detroit he went to a bad situation in toronto. I’m not
Saying lebda is the next lidstrom but give the guy a chance to turn his career around. Remember How everyone said how bad souray was in Edmonton and when he got to Dallas he regained his form. Sometimes all it takes is a change of
Scenery. Its still a low risk move
by FFmorgan89 on Jan 21, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed. We’ve got nothing to lose by playing him this year.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Commodore has more Cups than Jackets have playoff wins too.
People didnt say Souray was a bad player, just that he was a bad influence in the locker room and he was on a horrible contract.
Lastly, Lebda was minus 3 on a 9-3 win. I dont think anything more needs to be said about that. Dont even think Johnson could do that if he tried
L-3bda is awful
http://www.puckineh.com/2011-articles/january/the-history-of-how-bad-brett-lebda-sucks.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI23sYP08zw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX9IxDrAmuM
-that last one was from the famous 9-3 win in which Lebda was -3
Delay of game penalties are dumb.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He has not had a good start for the organization. I know that it is early still, after his injury, but I think he needs to prove himself fully in Springfield before he even gets a backup role with the Jackets. We really need to spend the money to get a good goalie next year and not hope that Dex is going to turn out to be good. Sanford could be our backup next year until Dex shows he is good enough.
Too bad we couldn’t get another guy like Nikitin instead of Lebda .
by brambo on Jan 21, 2012 8:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
NIKITA NIKITA!!!
Nice wrister…
BTW, he needs to get back to taking his slappers. He can rip em, but hes been resorting to that wrister too much when he doesnt have too… but that was sick wrister
Great work by Vermette on the screen, too. I don’t think Howard saw that until he was fishing the puck out of the net.
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Nikitin is the shit.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ugh, Pahlsson needs to look before blindly trying to clear it.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep. I hope someone is looking for a checking center at the deadline, I can’t wait for him to be gone. He doesn’t bring much of anything to the table.
Eh, still a decent faceoff man, but we have others for that. I think we’ll trade him.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People keep saying we won’t see his value until the playoffs. Doesn’t look like we’ll see or need his value for a while. Trade him.
by CannonGoesBoom on Jan 21, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hate on him a little too much, but I think it’s because we have so much depth at center…and he just doesnt contribute offensively. I’d like to see Carter-Brassard-Vermette-Mackenzie centering our 4 lines next year, and then you have Johan and Letestu who can also play pivot in case of injury.
Don’t forget that Umby is a decent center as well when need be.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are right about his offense, it does not exist, although he is pretty good on the cycle. Scoring and passing leaves a lot to be desired, great dump-and chaser though- ha,ha.
Thats not his role though. We dont pay him to be a scorer just like we dont pay Boll to score. Its a matter of playing your role. He does it well and his contract shows it.
You are right of course, but if a shut down guy can score he becomes so much more of a threat, especially on the PK, which further enhances his defensive abilities.
Yes, but for the most part defensive forwards tend to be more laid back and dont go for as many chances offensively as forwards, which generally means less scoring chances. In other words, if he has the puck on the half boards he would rather cycle it in deep and pull back than pass it to the point or accross ice for a shot.
Its hard to find a guy that is good offensively and just as good defensively. Not many in NHL. Datsyuk, Toews are examples
I don’t mind trading him either as he is not as good as he used to be, but he is actually having a pretty decent year. He is plus-0 which is third best on the team after MacKenzie and Johansen and he plays against the top lines. The problem with this guy is that what he does best is the “invisible” stuff like defensive positioning. I am not saying we shouldn’t trade him, but he knows his role and never takes a night off. Bad play there however that led to the goal.
Yeah….I hate the Wings so much, but Datsyuk made a great play getting his stick on that loose puck and instantly finding Holmstrom in the slot. Thank God for the post…and Sanford did a great job getting back to his feet and staying with the play
It will be nice to play Detroit next year when Holmstrom is gone. Guy is a pest in front of the net, but hes very good at it. I give him props for taking such a beating all these years
We will be very lucky if he turns out to have half of Holmstroms career. Kubalik may actually be more skilled, although Holmer also has pretty soft hands for a brute from Northern Sweden.
He’ll be gone next year?
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Supposedly
He said it was his last year, but players say that a lot.
A player like him has a tough time staying in the NHL a long time. He literally just takes a beating every night. Babcock was going to sit him out on the second night of back to backs, but after a loss he changed his mind.
Supposedly he and Lidstrom will be gone next year, but I wouldnt be surprised to see Lidstrom keep playing, and i really hope he does.
I heard somewhere that Lidstrom wants to come back next season. As for Holmstrom, it’s amazing he has played this long with how physically demanding his style is. Would definitely make this gauntlet of a division easier without him.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just keep wondering how long the Redwings “old guys” can continue to be so damn good. Is there something in the water up there?
Lidstrom gets better with age, like a good wine. These guys are the elite players of the world, they just don’t quit. Makes me wonder how successful they would have been on another team, how big a role the Detroit system is in developing them, etc.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For years i hae thought that there has to be a year Detroit just loses half their team from retirement.
Maybe next year. Rafalski last year, possibly LIdstrom and Holmstrom this year. Lidstrom looks like he can play another 3 years with the way he goes. Just like Selanne
It sound crazy to say this, but if anything Lidstrom is underrated. I often find myself following him for shifts at a time, and what he does looks so effortless. I think he is the best skater in the game of the past 20 years, not the fastest but the smoothest. He also seems to read plays way before they happen, both defensively and offensively. What a guy – total man crush!
And what also impresses me was that most of these guys weren’t first round picks, but gems found in the very late rounds.
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good scouting and they are willing to develop their players in the AHL, something we havent done. You have to be patient with young players, which goes back to my point on Savard from the Preview
It is, but its worth it in the long run. Better to be patient for 3 years than get three years later and be pissed off that we didnt season them in the AHL and call it another crappy pick
…some of them I think are bad picks though. I don’t think Filatov would have succeeded anywhere. Maybe another team that plays a really aggressive offensive-minded style, a free flowing game….but I don’t see it.
I think Brule and Klesla would have though. And maybe some of our other later picks if we did it right.
Part is scouting, part is the correct development. We have done neither very well, and Detroit has. Which explains them making the playoffs every year and us being in the lottery
Good is an understatement. And they have a knack for finding useless players and making them productive (Draper, Maltby, Drew Miller, Cleary).
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by Heavysoviet on Jan 21, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe having to work your way up & earn a position has benefits over being told you’re a star & entitled to one
by brambo on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It honestly didnt look like Zetterberg did anything but maybe a small nudge. Nikitin loses gets feet mixed up
That push put him off balance at a real dangerous area of the ice, though. I think that deserves consideration.
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That is how you break your leg… that looked really painful. No blame on Zetterberg, but it’s crazy how such a light shove could do so much damage.
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Sometimes it’s very easy to forget that these guys are basically standing on knife blades when they skate.
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I was just thinking about that. Do you call up anyone, or see what Lebda can do first?
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It almost looked to me like Nikitin’s skates were catching on the ice. I wonder if the ice was just a bit rough there in the corner.
The Wings are coming off a back-to-back. If we can keep up the tight checking, we can take these guys to OT. It’s feasible.
Please just no shootout. I would prefer not to get embarrassed by Detroits skill. Besides, who do we use as shooters? Wiz and Letestu both out. Carter out.
Nash- Brass- Tyutin? Johansen?
Despite the “Oh shit” factor of Nikitin getting hurt, have to admit it’s been a hell of a game.
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Nasher, WTF was that?
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Great effort, but god dammit.
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Damn. Oh well.
Can’t complain, coming into Detroit, injury riddled, battle the Wings like that. Then play that well in the 4 on 4 OT,
Loss or not, I’m impressed by this team. They have a lot more fire in them lately it seems.
I wonder how much of the improved play is the “new coach bump” and how much may be having some new guys making a push? It also could be that some of the injured guys impacted the team negatively, and that the new mix of players is gelling better. Only time will tell, but at least they are fighting out there.
….I like seeing Dorsett wearing the “A.”
Don’t know how I feel about sending him out there in the shootout, but that’s another story.
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