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Speculation: Playoff Format Changes Ahead?

As the Stanley Cup Playoffs hurtle towards the end of the conference final series, we look forward to seeing the survivors from the Eastern and Western conference playoffs meeting in the Finals within the next week or so, to see who will take home Lord Stanley's Cup, and the bragging rights for which team (and which conference) came out on top.

But what if that were to change?

Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I signed up for the NHL's "Fan Faceoff" survey panel a few years ago, which means I periodically get sent emails asking me my opinion on broadcasting options, mobile content, online streaming, and similar items. Now and then I get asked about things like my perception of the NHL vs. various sports leagues - you can probably imagine how it all goes.

But yesterday, I got a survey that was rather interesting, and perhaps suggests directions that the NHL might explore in the future.

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For much of the survey, it was about what you'd expect: "Are you watching the playoffs?" 

"We see you're a fan of the COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS. They didn't make the playoffs. Are you 'Adopting' another team?"

"How did you choose to adopt a team?" (I'm disappointed that They were playing against the Red Wings wasn't an option, but at least they did include "Facing teams I disliked".)

"How much are you watching the NHL network during the playoffs?"

But it took a curve at the end. Here's the first question that perked my ears up (and I apologize if this isn't exactly the correct wording of the question - I didn't think to take screenshots):

"Currently, the playoffs involve divisional champions in each conference given a 1, 2, or 3 seed. If seeding were changed to be determined solely by points, would you still have the same interest?"

It sounds a bit to me like the NHL is debating changing to a model like the NBA switched to in 2006, which could potentially eliminate home ice advantage for a division champion if there's a higher ranked team. This year, for example, in the Eastern conference,  Boston would have lost home ice advantage and dropped into the 5 seed, while Pittsburgh would have slid into #3 (and a potentially more favorable matchup vs. Montreal), while Tampa would be in the #4 slot, and would have seen the Bruins in the first round. 

In the West, seeding wouldn't have changed this season, but last season would have seen Phoenix facing LA in the first round as the #3 seed instead of having to host the Red Wings. (Vancouver, who had been in the #3 seed as NW champs, would have faced Detroit as the #4 seed instead) How different would their playoffs have been? How much would the Coyotes' losses been reduced with (potentially) a second round appearance? 

It's not hard to see why this change is being debated, but I can also see why a lot of fans (and, for that matter, GMs and Governors) would resist. Why should a team try to win their division if they wouldn't be rewarded with a guarantee of home ice advantage in the playoffs? Why value so many divisional matchups in the schedule and not pay them off?

Valid points, and particularly since we've discussed how important divisional games are to a playoff team under the current system, but if the NHL was going to revise the playoff format, it doesn't seem too far out of line to suggest that perhaps the scheduling matrix might also be changed. (I'm still a fan of a schedule that sees a home and away matchup against every NHL team, then adding in regional opponents, but that's just me.)

That's nothing, however, compared to the OTHER question that followed it:

"Currently, the playoff format has teams seeded in the Eastern and Western conferences, 1-8, facing each other, before the Stanley Cup Final pits the winner of the East vs. the winner of the West. If the playoffs instead seeded the top teams from each conference 1-16 by points, regardless of conference, would you still have interest?"

Wow. That's a radical shift, to say the least.

What the question suggests, then, is something similar to the playoff format in the MLS, where teams are seeded by points, and if a higher point team from the "Western" conference bumps a team from the East out of the playoffs, well, too damn bad for them, isn't it?

This, I have to admit, is both an exciting idea and potentially really, really frustrating. 

Let's start with the obvious points.

  • This again devalues both conference and divisional play, since it's all about the total point values. 
  • It would eliminate complaints about "weaker" teams making it into the Stanley Cup finals, since there would be no bias of schedule - it's simply the best vs. the best.
  • The potential for a "Cinderella" could be headline gold - imagine if a team came in from the 16th seed to win the cup? 
  • How would home ice work? Do the 1-8 seeds get home ice in the first round vs. the 9-16 seeds? Would they continue to re-calculate home ice based on the survivors?
  • Would the Stanley Cup Playoffs be as exciting if, say, Vancouver were playing San Jose for the ultimate prize, and the Eastern conference was totally eliminated prior to the finals? (Eastern die hards, feel free to substitute Boston and Tampa Bay here).
  • How would the perceived weaker Eastern conference clubs feel about potentially losing post-season berths (and revenue!) to Western clubs?
  • Travel would be a PAIN, particularly in the first round. Imagine the logistical complications of a first round series between LA and Philadelphia? Vancouver and New York? That could get messy for TV broadcasts and schedulers alike.
  • Right now, it's basically a given that at least two Canadian teams make it into the playoffs every season. How would Canadian fans deal with a system where all the Canadian clubs could potentially find themselves on the outside looking in? (Or would they simply blind themselves with the potential for ALL of the Canadian teams to make it in?)

How would that have looked this year?

1. Vancouver
2. Washington
3. Philadelphia
4. Pittsburgh
5. San Jose
6. Detroit
7. Tampa Bay
8. Boston
9. Anaheim
10. Nashville
11. Phoenix
12. Los Angeles
13. Chicago
14. Montreal
15. Buffalo
16. Dallas

There's a surprising lack of inter-conference play in the top three matchups, but after that it gets interesting. Chicago / Pittsburgh? Anaheim / Boston? Tampa / Phoenix? Hot damn. Those are some first round series I'd have loved to see. Even Vancouver / Dallas would have been chock full of interesting storylines. 

Again, I'm not sure I'd see this system really taking off without a serious realignment to how scheduling is handled. For every reason I can think of that it could be really fun, I see pitfalls and potential headaches galore.

But when you consider that there are rumors swirling that the potential move of the Thrashers to Winnipeg might end up triggering a full scale realignment of the NHL, perhaps it's not a bad time to sit down and consider how the postseason might change, too. 

While we can't know what the NHL's survey data looks like, let's take a sample of our own - what do you think of these ideas? Is this worth considering, or would this be the worst revamp since New Coke?

Poll
How do you feel about changing the NHL's playoff format, based on the options presented?
It shouldn't change - I like it as it is.
127 votes
Seed each conference based on points only.
76 votes
The best 16 teams in the NHL by points - regardless of conference.
73 votes
Swiss style triple elimination pudding.
16 votes

292 votes | Poll has closed

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Ugh

This is a terrible idea, unless it’s accompanied by a balanced schedule within the conferences, or if they want the 1-16 idea, the entire league.

What’s the point of playing six games against everyone in your division if you don’t get anything out of winning the division?

by bciskie on May 23, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed – I can’t see any way that re-aligning the postseason works without re-aligning the regular season as well.

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by Matt Wagner on May 23, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of seeding the conferences by points. This isn’t exactly apples and apples, but think the NFL wouldn’t like a do-over with an under-.500 team getting to HOST a first round playoff game simply because they won a terrible division? And that team had a tremendous home-field advantage, and knocked a better team out.

Obviously, better teams should win on the road, but still… it unfairly weights divisions, which are not equal from top to bottom. Let’s say Detroit and Chicago are battling for the top seed in the conference one season, and are clearly the two best teams. Why wouldn’t you want to set up the seeding so they meet in the WCF, as opposed to round 2 (which they would under the current system, as one team would be 1 and the other would fall to 4)?

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by Dan P. on May 23, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Did I say Chicago?

I meant Columbus. :-)

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by Dan P. on May 23, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think seeding everyone 1-16 is the best idea, on the condition that they go to a balanced schedule.

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by notthatnoise on May 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

If you’re going to seed the conference without regard to division then you need to do away with the divisions and schedule accordingly.

Other wise leave as is.

by JacketRoadman on May 23, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Other speculation

A year or two ago, it was speculated that they talked about play-in games. Something like, the 10 seed played the 9 seed, 1 game only. The winner played the 8 seed, 1 game only. The winning team then took the 8 seed in the playoffs.

by Rob Brown on May 23, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I like that even less, honestly. If you’re going to try to give the non-playoff teams something to do, I’d almost rather the idea of a “NIT” style tournament – maybe the winner could improve their draft position as a consolation prize?

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by Matt Wagner on May 23, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would happen to ....

So, just playing hypothetical here, What would happen to the Conference Champions if it were set to seeding 16 teams regardless of division/conference? Lets say your the last team standing from the west, does that mean you take home the Campbell? Say their are 2 remaining teams left in the east who are both eliminated on the same night, do they go into a “losers bracket” playoff to play for the Prince of Wales Trophy? Or do the respective top point earners from each conference just automatically take home their respective Trophy/Bowl regardless of playoff seed or how far they advance? Or do we just do away with the Conference awards all together ….
Just a few thoughts that crossed through my mind after reading this article. I certainly think its an interesting idea but thinking about this makes my brain hurt, so many what ifs floating around I cant quiet grasp what the best option is (in the scenario I provided).
Personally I think the playoffs are just fine the way they are, and if anything were to change I would keep the conference playoffs and seed the teams from each conference based on points. Each division winner should be granted an automatic berth at the very least and if by some odd circumstance their points don’t beat out the 8th seed perhaps a play-in scenario would strike my fancy. I don’t know, I’m just kind of rambling off the cuff now …
So thats my 2 cents …
oh, and GO WILD!!!

by The Nooge on May 23, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

If I had to guess, assuming that switch was made, I would probably just award the Prince of Wales and Clarence Campbell trophies to the teams with the highest total points in each conference at the end of the regular season, the same way the Presidents trophy is awarded.

OTOH, the idea of awarding it to the last team standing from that conference isn’t a terrible one, either.

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by Matt Wagner on May 23, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Current playoff format

The think I like least about the current system is the reseeding after each round. I think if the 8th seed team beats the 1st seed they shouldn’t get “rewarded” with the 2 seed. They should play the 4th or 5th team. It would then be like the NCAA tournament format.

by Gr8fulnfa on May 23, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Phoenix

Just wanted to point out that it would have been Tampa / Nashville not Tampa / Phoenix. The Coyotes cannot escape the Red Wings, no matter how the seedings are changed.

by Skooch on May 23, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I like how the NBA has a homecourt seed open for a team that may not win its division, but finishes higher than a div champ. Reward excellent play; the payoff could be an epic Conference Final between 2 division rivals. Seed the highest non-division champion if they finish ahead of other automatic seeded teams.

The Conference alignment still retain an allegiance; fans of ousted teams can root for their respective Conference, or against that team that knocked theirs out. It keeps an US vs THEM mentality. Getting rid of them would create havoc more often than needed.

Under a 1-16, you could see 2 series featuring interconference matchups that would normally be reserved for a Stanley Cup Final; Vancouver vs Miami, and Columbus vs Pittsburgh. These are both ends of the interconference spectrum here, but can you imagine how the players of the Canucks and Panthers would feel knowing that there are still 3 more rounds of potential jetlag? Keep the conferences!

by bowserings on May 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Poll needs another option – None of the above.

Hope the league eventually goes to 32 teams and develops a divisional format that harkens a bit back to the old days. Back when you had rivalries built off repeated playoff meetings.

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by Carl Putnam on May 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

So you’re saying expand to two more teams then scrap things all together? Interesting.

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by Matt Wagner on May 24, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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