What Columbus could get for Rick Nash

malkins injury is not as bad as you would think, Franzen had the same injury last season and he came back ok. plus Malkin does better when he is not shadowed by crosby, he always seems to step up when crosby is out, you put him on a team in columnbus with no true super stars then he would light it up. plus he would have solid wings with Umberger, Voracek, and potentially filatov (if he can get his ass in gear)

Kunitz would also come to columbus with Brass going to Pitt that means the tlines would look something like

Kunitz Malkin Voracek
Juice Vermette Umberger
Calvert Phalsson Upshall
Boll Random center Dorsett

That right there makes a huge difference to the team, while as said earlier (by both me and Zeke) Malkin plays a lot better when HE is the guy, when he steps out of crosbys shadow he is amazing and would do great. and who cares if he is russian, Ovechkin is Russian woudl you not want him? how about Datsyuk? the anti russian thing is just stupid. and meanwhile sending nash for Malkin (about a million bucks going to Cbus) and then sending Brassard for Kunitz (about a million going to Pitt) the cap his balanced out pretty well while Columbus has a ton of cap space to play with and pitt would probably be fine.

Trading Nash for Malkin does no good – the whole idea of us getting a #1 center is for that #1 center to play with Nash. The lines you just proposed put us in the same boat we’re in now. Also, Chris Kunitz is terrible.

If we ever were to (god forbid) trade Nash, there would have to be a bunch of guys coming the other way. The idea of trading Nash would be to get a bunch of young players back who could then form a nice core in the years to come, since by giving up Nash we are thinking we can’t win within the next few years and it gets us out from under his expensive, long term contract so we have that flexibility to build and spread money around.

While the team getting him gives up promising youth, they do it to get a legit superstar which makes them an immediate contender by pairing Nash with their superstar on the top line.

Rick Nash to Carolina (Nash to play with Eric Staal) for Jeff Skinner, Jamie McBain, Jiri Tlusty, Tim Gleason, and a #1

Rick Nash to LA (Nash to play with Kopitar) for Alec Martinez, Andrei Loknatiov, Jack
Johnson, Brayden Schenn, and a #1

Rick Nash to WASH for John Carlson, Marcus Johannsen, Michael Neuvirth, Dmitri Kugryshev, Jeff Shultz and a #1

Rick Nash to NYR for Brandon Dubinsky, Marc Staal, Derek Stepan, Michael Del Zotto and a #1

Look at the trade deadline – guys like 32 year old Tomas Kaberle were fetching a #1 draft pick and top prospect, just to be a deadline rental. Trading a 27 year old superstar locked up for the next 8 years could fetch an enormous return. The price would have to be some package of good young roster players, top prospects, and a #1 draft picks, not another superstar type.

Can you also please explain why on earth would you want to get a 32 year old role player like Chris Kunitz?

That does nothing for the future of the Jackets. especially if you are also giving up Brassard, a 22 year old top 6 forward.

Your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines in your proposal are all either the same or worse than what we currently have, and then you have a 1st line of Malkin plus Kunitz and Voracek?! What a disaster. How does that help the Jackets at all?

Wouldn’t something like Nash for Letang, Staal, Tangredi, Neal, and a #1 help the Jackets a lot more?

Note – in my proposals, the team getting Nash keeps it’s star players to team up with Nash, that’s why the trades work for them – instant cup contention and best 1st line in hockey.

The Jackets take a step back, but get potential future top 6 forwards, potential #1 centers and top-4 defense and for that ever so elusive #1 D-man.

Replace Nash with Malkin right now straight up – Columbus isn’t a better team. Still horrible defense, still not enough offensive threats, still questionable goal tending.

One superstar on a team of scrubs doesn’t get you anywhere in the NHL. Hasn’t gotten CBJ anywhere so far, didn’t get the Thrashers anywhere with Kovalchuk, didn’t get the Wild anywhere with Gaborik, etc.

In fact, teams like Nashville or Phoenix even do better with solid all around role players and defense and NO offensive stars.

No, we couldn’t just get a haul like the ones I was proposing for just Nash, and we’d have to include other stuff in the deal, but those are the types of players you’d ask for in a package and work it out with interested teams.

Nashville acquired Peter Forsberg (as a rental) at the deadline for in exchange for Ryan Parent (young d prospect) Scottie Upshall (young offense w top 6 potential prospect) and Nashville’s first and third round 2007 – again, that is just for a few months of a star player.

Most recently, a 35 year old Chris Pronger (along with forward Ryan Dingle) was traded to the Flyers in exchange for Joffrey Lupul (a top 6 forward) the rights to defenceman Luca Sbisa (a very good, solid young defenseman), TWO first round draft picks and a conditional third round draft pick.

If an aging Chris Pronger is worth 2 first rounders, a top 6 forward, and a top defensive prospect – how much is a young, in his prime, offensive superstar like Rick Nash worth?

Again – not a lot of teams would give up what the Flyers did to get Pronger. But it just takes that one team who really wants the difference-maker to push them over the top into contention, and they will give up a lot.

Peter Foresberg=Future Hall of Famer Chris Pronger = Future Hall of Famer. they didn’t just trade for the talent they trad for the name. and you are right about Atlanta and Minn (even though minne went to the confrence finals a few years ago) but lets look at the stanley cup winners the past few years, Chicago Kane Kieth Towes, Pitt Crosby Malkin,Detroit Datsuyk Zetterberg Lidstrom, Anaheim, Perry, Getlaf Pronge Selanne Tampa Lecalvier, Richards, St Louis, Carolina Staal. Teams need that Elite player or two in order to make noise in the playoffs. and by the way, foresberg (at the time) was a better hockey player, as was pronger. not to say Nash isn’t good player but i wouldn’t put him in the HOF yet.

it is trading a very good player for an ELITE player. Malkin is that much better than Nash. I am far from saying that columbus doesn’t need a defenseman but a trade for malkin would make this team better. Nash is good but he needs good players around him to be great. Malkin is at his best when he puts the team on his back. look at it this way, Malkins Career low in points was 77 (with the exception of this year since he hadn’t played since like november) Nash’s career high was 79. get the picture? plus a top line center is MUCH harder to find than a top line wing. and who ever said he was a top 15 player in the league. no not so. Top 15 forward? maybe but not 15 player, if you include defenseman and goalies NAsh is a good deal south of top 15.

I get it dude – Malkin’s a great player, maybe even better than Nash, though Nash is more responsible defensively, Malkin is a more dominant offensive player when he’s on his game. I’m not denying any of that.

You can say “Malkin is at his best when he puts his team on his back” 10 times if you want that doesn’t make a trade 1-for-1 type trade a good idea.

 Again – my point is that getting one elite center and losing are only elite player in that deal doesn’t improve the team. It just puts a great center on a team with terrible defenseman, no star wingers, and shaky goal tending.