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I will be the first to say I am NOT a journalist so bear with me on this. I just made a comment earlier about Huselius and while typing it i became extremely annoyed, and decided to get some opinion here as well as express some opinion. I personally feel as a city we are way too nice and polite to our players, coaches etc. It seems anytime i get into an argument about a certain player or coach I always get the same response... "Well he is a good guy", or "He's just a kid", or lastly my favorite "Well you just can't help but like the guy"...Let's get one thing straight. I like good, nice guys too. who wouldn't? But after 10 years you know what i like more than a nice guy with a good personality?! A WINNER! A GUY WITH HEART, who gives 100% every single shift. A guy who isn't out there just to make a fat paycheck! This is a business folks! I don't know about the rest of you but I was born, and lived in Detroit for a couple of years, and absolutely LOVED the redwings. I moved to Ohio in 94. and until the year 2000 i NEVER had a team to call "MY" team. And the redwings became a thing of the past . A lot of us have seen this team and followed them since day 1. And I for one do not want to see the only team i have ever been able to call my own get bought and move to another city, and watch the city of Columbus shrivel up b/c of it. For too long we have been too nice. Our media covers up and sugar coats almost everything, aside from a handful of fans nobody publicly expresses their frustration. The big cities with enormous followings don't get such notoriety because they have teams full of "nice guys". They get noticed because of their passionate fan base and brutally honest media. Players cannot go to those cities and expect to collect a fat paycheck and give half-ass effort year after year. Why? Because the fans call them out. The media asks grilling questions that we as fans would ask if we were up there doing it ourselves. We don't have that. Here is what will happen. 1 of 2 things, 1. the player/coach gets angry and starts busting his rear end to do everything he can to prove you wrong, or 2. he shows his true colors, that he doesn't really care to be in your city and play for you as a fan and demands a trade. Instead we say oh, Commodore was a minus 8 through 20 games and has played maybe 10 solid games in 3 years for us, but he has a good personality, i like him. If you as a fan want to make a statement to a coach, GM, owner. not buying tickets only goes so far. Stand up, get nasty, and tell it like it is. so what if they don't answer your question b/c they feel you hurt their poor little feelings. NEW FLASH! They are professional athletes and they make millions to PERFORM. It is their JOB! WE PAY THEIR SALARIES more or less! this is a business remember?! not an evening around the campfire. Call in the radio station and make person specific comments, write into the news paper about a players lack of heart. show up and boo a guy if he has 6 turnovers, or the team if they cant enter the zone on a power play. And at the same time show support for the guys who do bust their butts every shift so they know you appreciate the hard work. If Umberger returns to the bench after being told he should sit out the rest of the game stand up and cheer! when brassard hammers the other team with a relentless forcheck cheer! Get loud! If you want your team to win and your staff to give you winners, you need to demand it! Buy a ticket to the game with 5 of your buddies who agree with you and sneak signs in that express your displeasure, come up with a chant that the fans, players and coaches here that says how you feel. Strength in numbers folks. One does it others will follow. For example, my season tickets sit a few rows up from the players bench and along the locker room tunnel. Rick Nash, our fearless 64 million dollar leader, was doing his usual, 2-3 good solid shifts and a whole lot of floating...on his way to the locker room after the second when we were trailing i heckled him and told him that he was 6-4 and to hit something, and quit being invisible. (It was not that politically correct mind you, only for the sake of the blog) He looked up at me with a glare and made his way back to the locker room. That 3rd period he came out and had 6 hits, and scored the tying and go-ahead goal. Whether or not little ol' me lit that fire under his ass or not, who knows. But it certainly hit a nerve because for his 1st star t-shirt toss he looked up at me and with an "f-you" look strongly threw the tee at my head. Now again i could have left it for what it was but i wanted to make a point. I threw the shirt back at him when he came off and told him ill take the tee when he can give that effort night in and night out. Again not to say little ol me put that pep in his step but i will say he has been absolutely on fire since then...Lets get serious folks, if you want your team to win, let them know! Not buying tickets doesn't do it. they still get their check whether you are there or not. If you voice your opinion by booing or whatever, its going to get to them. maybe they will start to show a little passion and heart. We as fans need to start showing we mean business. I'm sick of being an unknown hockey club. I'm sick of losing. you should be too. Quit being so polite to these guys it is their JOBS. while we struggle to make a living, they make millions. Lets make them earn theirmoney shall we?! Lets hurt a few feelings and get people to notice that we have a damn professional team in OUR city and we love having them here! And i guarantee you will weed out the Adam Foote's of the team who don't want to be here in the first place, and inspire other guys to fight for it and be proud to say they play for the fans in Columbus. Start spreading the word! Remember, if you want winners, DEMAND winners!

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by Matt Wagner on Feb 21, 2011 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Giant wall of text? Check. All-caps all over the place? check.

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by notthatnoise on Feb 21, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

hows the new place todd?

by FFmorgan89 on Feb 21, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Well i tried reading it. Didnt work. Lost my spot about twenty times in first five sentences.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you… you are not a journalist. If college taught me anything, you can learn all you need to know by reading the first and last sentence of a paragraph. For those of you who didn’t read the post because of its length, I’ve re-written the summary below.

I will be the first to say I am NOT a journalist so bear with me on this. Remember, if you want winners, DEMAND winners!

by bolenbaugh on Feb 21, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

thanks for the summary.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Feb 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You are welcome. I’m just glad I can make a difference. Hopefully my summary saved you 10 minutes and a huge headache.

by bolenbaugh on Feb 22, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked the part when Nash threw his shirt at him and the guy threw it back. Nice!

by PomeroyCBJFan on Feb 22, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

I’d love a winner. But we’re not losers either. We play in arguably the hardest division in the league, let alone the tougher of the two conferences.

Adam Foote still blows!

by Heavysoviet on Feb 22, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

umm top ten picks in all but one year kinda makes them losers.

however. they are playing very well these past few weeks and if they keep it up they may just make it to the playoffs.

by FFmorgan89 on Feb 23, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

After a trip through the PARAGRAPH-O-MATIC (patent pending)...
I will be the first to say I am NOT a journalist so bear with me on this. I just made a comment earlier about Huselius and while typing it i became extremely annoyed, and decided to get some opinion here as well as express some opinion.

I personally feel as a city we are way too nice and polite to our players, coaches etc. It seems anytime i get into an argument about a certain player or coach I always get the same response… “Well he is a good guy”, or “He’s just a kid”, or lastly my favorite “Well you just can’t help but like the guy”…Let’s get one thing straight. I like good, nice guys too. who wouldn’t? But after 10 years you know what i like more than a nice guy with a good personality?! A WINNER! A GUY WITH HEART, who gives 100% every single shift. A guy who isn’t out there just to make a fat paycheck! This is a business folks!

I don’t know about the rest of you but I was born, and lived in Detroit for a couple of years, and absolutely LOVED the redwings. I moved to Ohio in 94. and until the year 2000 i NEVER had a team to call “MY” team. And the redwings became a thing of the past . A lot of us have seen this team and followed them since day 1. And I for one do not want to see the only team i have ever been able to call my own get bought and move to another city, and watch the city of Columbus shrivel up b/c of it.

For too long we have been too nice. Our media covers up and sugar coats almost everything, aside from a handful of fans nobody publicly expresses their frustration. The big cities with enormous followings don’t get such notoriety because they have teams full of “nice guys”. They get noticed because of their passionate fan base and brutally honest media. Players cannot go to those cities and expect to collect a fat paycheck and give half-ass effort year after year. Why? Because the fans call them out. The media asks grilling questions that we as fans would ask if we were up there doing it ourselves. We don’t have that.

Here is what will happen. 1 of 2 things, 1. the player/coach gets angry and starts busting his rear end to do everything he can to prove you wrong, or 2. he shows his true colors, that he doesn’t really care to be in your city and play for you as a fan and demands a trade. Instead we say oh, Commodore was a minus 8 through 20 games and has played maybe 10 solid games in 3 years for us, but he has a good personality, i like him.

If you as a fan want to make a statement to a coach, GM, owner. not buying tickets only goes so far. Stand up, get nasty, and tell it like it is. so what if they don’t answer your question b/c they feel you hurt their poor little feelings.

NEW FLASH! They are professional athletes and they make millions to PERFORM. It is their JOB! WE PAY THEIR SALARIES more or less! this is a business remember?! not an evening around the campfire. Call in the radio station and make person specific comments, write into the news paper about a players lack of heart. show up and boo a guy if he has 6 turnovers, or the team if they cant enter the zone on a power play. And at the same time show support for the guys who do bust their butts every shift so they know you appreciate the hard work. If Umberger returns to the bench after being told he should sit out the rest of the game stand up and cheer! when brassard hammers the other team with a relentless forcheck cheer! Get loud! If you want your team to win and your staff to give you winners, you need to demand it! Buy a ticket to the game with 5 of your buddies who agree with you and sneak signs in that express your displeasure, come up with a chant that the fans, players and coaches here that says how you feel. Strength in numbers folks. One does it others will follow.

For example, my season tickets sit a few rows up from the players bench and along the locker room tunnel. Rick Nash, our fearless 64 million dollar leader, was doing his usual, 2-3 good solid shifts and a whole lot of floating…on his way to the locker room after the second when we were trailing i heckled him and told him that he was 6-4 and to hit something, and quit being invisible. (It was not that politically correct mind you, only for the sake of the blog) He looked up at me with a glare and made his way back to the locker room. That 3rd period he came out and had 6 hits, and scored the tying and go-ahead goal. Whether or not little ol’ me lit that fire under his ass or not, who knows. But it certainly hit a nerve because for his 1st star t-shirt toss he looked up at me and with an “f-you” look strongly threw the tee at my head. Now again i could have left it for what it was but i wanted to make a point. I threw the shirt back at him when he came off and told him ill take the tee when he can give that effort night in and night out. Again not to say little ol me put that pep in his step but i will say he has been absolutely on fire since then…

Lets get serious folks, if you want your team to win, let them know! Not buying tickets doesn’t do it. they still get their check whether you are there or not. If you voice your opinion by booing or whatever, its going to get to them. maybe they will start to show a little passion and heart. We as fans need to start showing we mean business. I’m sick of being an unknown hockey club. I’m sick of losing. you should be too. Quit being so polite to these guys it is their JOBS. while we struggle to make a living, they make millions. Lets make them earn theirmoney shall we?! Lets hurt a few feelings and get people to notice that we have a damn professional team in OUR city and we love having them here! And i guarantee you will weed out the Adam Foote’s of the team who don’t want to be here in the first place, and inspire other guys to fight for it and be proud to say they play for the fans in Columbus. Start spreading the word! Remember, if you want winners, DEMAND winners!

Lou’s comment: I love your passion. That’s the way it used to be in the days before mascots, blimps dropping coupons and face painting. Last night in Springfield, the Falcons were in the process of getting blown out on their home ice. Not a “BOO” anywhere. What’s up with that? Screech the mascot was the most popular thing in the building.

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by Lou Bordeaux on Feb 23, 2011 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Not a response to you, but a response to the newly readable post:

We don’t need to be philly fans. Or New York fans. Or Toronto fans. From what I can tell of the fan community, we’re too hard on our players. Guys constantly bitch and moan about effort this, soft that, without any proof of what they say or taking anything other than wins and losses into account. Impatience never won anybody anything. You can’t make brash decisions today because someone made bad decisions in the past. The ten years of losing don’t mean anything to our future. If you want an accurate picture of just how grumpy and unreasonable most fans are, head over to puck-rakers. A large group of people wanted to trade Rick Nash at one point, because they didn’t think he was a good leader, which they gathered from all of those times they weren’t at practice or in the locker room.

Visit other teams’ blogs sometime. Whenever a team loses, the fans cry about effort or intensity. That’s garbage. You could count the number of players in the NHL who don’t care about winning on your hands. Sometimes teams just get beat, and sometimes badly. That doesn’t mean they weren’t trying. In fact, sometimes it means they were trying too hard, instead of just playing. How many times have you heard a coach or player say the team was “pressing” after a loss?

Being angry and grumpy and booing players won’t get you anything but a bad reputation. Instead, let’s try to encourage rational discussion and common sense. I’m not saying to give anybody a free ride, but can we please stop saying the players weren’t trying every time they make a bad play or lose a game?

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Feb 23, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking the same thing. I before i read your comment i was going to recommend heading over to puckrakers to read their comments sometimes. Theres people bitching and moaning on there right now about who knows what.
Fans werent easy on Commodore, they gave it to him.
The one thing i do disagree with is the captain things with Nash. This is a topic for another day, but i personally dont think Nash should be our captain. He IS our best player, but as I have said before, i dont think that being good should be the same as “leading by example”. I have been to practice a lot, but not in the locker room obviously. From what you hear from people that have been in the locker room, he is not vocal. I honestly think Umby would be a better captain because from what you hear, he is vocal. He also shows it on the ice. But again, thats kinda the motto every team is starting to go by, “the best is captain”.
But anyway that whole little thing didnt have anything to do with the post, just wanted to get it off my chest.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 23, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see the argument about Nash as captain, but I also think too much emphasis gets put on being vocal. On my high school football team, we had a lot of vocal guys, but when it came time to elect captains, the guy with the most votes was a guy who barely said a word. The reason he was elected was because he worked hard on and off the field, he was someone you could trust, he was always trying to make his teammates better, and everyone on the team respected him. That kid was the best leader on our team, and never once did he give any kind of half-time speech.

I wouldn’t be opposed to RJ as captain, I think he would be more than qualified. I just think “leading by example” gets a bad rap because it isn’t as visible to fans.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Feb 23, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I can live with that. I dont think that an Umby with the C would be anything different than one without. But i just see it as Nash is obviously the best player on the team. He can lead by example. Although what i dont like about Nash is sometimes he looks like he is not trying. He is kinda like Thornton where you are big and it looks like you are half assing it when your still going fast and all. I just see Umby as the entire package for a captain, and Nash as a 3/4 a captain. But having Nash captain does give Columbus more popularity and gives us a face to our franchise that everyone can look at and say, “he is the leader of that team” without watching the Jackets much.
Both sides can give good arguments, but i just lean a little more one way.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 23, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i just lean a little more one way.

Nothing wrong with that. Like I said, if they had made Umberger captain I wouldn’t be upset.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Feb 23, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. Its not like its eating away at me that Nash is captain because he is still good and all.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 23, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Would it be worth taking the C from Nash just to give it to Umby? I assume Nash would just trade the C for an A, and I can’t imagine that really changing anything. Seems like a non-issue to me.

by bolenbaugh on Feb 24, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said it was an issue, just a preference

by cbjfan14 on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

while i 100% agree that Umby is our true captain and deserves it flat out… You cannot strip Nash of the C. whether he welcomes it or not, the media in Toronto would have a hay day with that. And making false claims that he wants out of c-bus and the ignorant half of our fans would buy into it and boo him out of the city…

by LeVy-Q on Feb 28, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No one would boo him out of the city. If we were to not be captain, it would be him going in and giving it to Umby. Like a true leader IMO. But like i said, its not really an issue

by cbjfan14 on Feb 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember in the third might ducks movie...

when Charlie was bitching about losing his C, and hans opens his drawer and gives him a handful of Cs. And says its only a letter. thats true leadership. the C or the A are just letters. the only thing those things do is allow players to talk to the refs. its not a true sign of leadership. there is little difference between the A and the C, other than who picks up the stanley cup first and im sure the jackets are still a few years away from having to worry about that. Letters are just that Letters. if the team sees that Umberger is the true captain than thats what he is. C A or no letter at all. it doesn’t matter.

by FFmorgan89 on Mar 2, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think that an Umby with the C would be anything different than one without.

Thats exactly what we were all saying.

Never said it was an issue, just a preference

Its really not a big deal, I just think that if I had a choice, i would choose Umby.
Again not that it matters, but captains get to talk to the refs like you said. Sometimes after a goal is disallowed or something stupid happens, Nash just gingerly skates over to the refs like he doesnt care. I wish he would skate over to tell the refs how he really feels and show some emotion.
But it again really doesnt matter that much. Umby can talk to the ref too but the captain usually does when its something bigger.

by cbjfan14 on Mar 2, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Yzerman wasn't vocal either,

Now i am by no means comparing Nash to Yzerman, but being vocal isn’t a must to be captain.

by FFmorgan89 on Feb 23, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously not, but i just find it important.

by cbjfan14 on Feb 23, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this article is right but we shouldn’t boo them until our captain gets pissed off at us but this article brings up a valid point. Our entire organization has definitely been to nice and protecting of Filatov. He has been a wus and not producing i say we trade him or push him to grow a pair and play real hockey.

by CBJFAN118 on Mar 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

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