A One-Sided Argument with a Stubborn Red Wings fan.

Its all history based stuff too. Columbus has had a very short history and so far it has been uneventful to say the least. Detroit has had a long time to really get things situated. Its just not the same.

kudos on the Star Wars reference. I should of thought of that.

I hope we meet in the first round of the playoffs again and destroy them. Nothing would make me feel better than that. I don’t care if they win the season series if we can keep them away from the Cup.

I don’t know about that. It could be misconstrude as picking a fight with someone who is a lot bigger than you, and you stand little chance of winning.

I feel the same way. There are some college teams that I have a legit hate for (some other team from that horrible state just north of Ohio – awfully hard to call themselves “the victors” when they don’t win shit.), and some I hate for whatever reason I want (Here’s looking at you Florida, USC).

well I can’t agree with the Flyers…they are alright(hopefully for obvious reasons) but yeah names mentioned above Pitt, Chicago, Detroit usually rub me the wrong way but its because of the arrogance most the fans seem entitled to. Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t.

Look I didn’t give the Red Wings any shit til I heard Columbus sucks a million times. Got old so I went on the attack and threw some opinions on Detroit towards him. He didn’t like it. Threw history which is the last ditch effort of most desperate people. Rely on the obvious. Hey, whatever helps him sleep at night.

no he is a Indians and Yankees fan…I just kind of rolled my eyes when I heard that. He tried to argue as well that Yankees don’t buy championships that most of their talent is ‘farm-raised’ meaning they were drafted and raised thru the system. He is basically a fanatic of certain teams and that’s it….and that’s all that will ever be.

He is also a Browns fan and when I mentioned that I root for them to finally prove people wrong he told me to stay off the bandwagon unless I was a true Browns fan….

I didn’t know Cleveland Browns had a big bandwagon which people love to jump on.

It would be cool to read a piece like that. I know that I take my Blue Jackets fanaticism very seriously. I watch every game on tv and when they aren’t on, I’m pissed and I have to listen online. I’m not one that knows every stat but when we lose to certain teams, I get angry. When we play like shit I get angry. There is something Blue Jackets in almost every room of my house and my wife says that I have too much Blue Jackets stuff. Is there ever really too much CBJ stuff??? It has gotten so bad that hockey is pretty much the only sport I care about now. I grew up a die hard Buckeye football fan and don’t get me wrong, I still believe that the season is a success as long as we win that last game in November. I guess I’ve just mellowed because football isn’t my sport anymore. My hatred of all things from that state up north started with the wolverines but has now become more about the red wings. Anyway, can’t wait to see the piece that you post.

Here’s the issue with comparing the two organizations – CBJ has been under (relatively) awful management for quite some time. Detroit has had a rock solid GM in Ken Holland, something that CBJ has never had (Howson is shaping up to be good, but we can’t compare them yet).

Howson is out to shape together the team into a winning mold. This takes time, and there have been flashes of success under his watch. He is further forced to do this in a smaller total cap hit than Detroit.

If Columbus had the money to bring in D-men or better forwards, your comments of player comparison wouldn’t really be relevant. As it is, this speaks more to the disparity in each organization (again, something Howson is hopefully fixing up along with the arena stuff).

As per the injuries to Detroit, the issue is somewhat in depth (again partially thanks to cap problems). Remind me, who would we have filled in if our defense all died at once? Oh yes, we didn’t really have anyone. The disparity in organizations again shows up, and Detroit looks like a well-run team (which it is).

I think the next two seasons will be something of a turn-around for CBJ. Beyond the fact that things can’t get much worse, the team is now fully under Howson’s control (new coach, draft picks coming to the NHL, signings) and I think his actions thus far are very promising.

For either side in this CBJ/Detroit conversation to directly compare teams is really hard. Clearly Detroit (and I think Buffalo) has been one of the best teams since the lockout, working to continue prior success in this “new NHL.” CBJ doesn’t have that kind of prior establishment, and to simply dismiss the Howson era as a failure is slightly silly – he hasn’t had enough time to be labeled.

Yes, the Red Wings are a success. But I still hate them and love to see them lose.

And don’t bring the Nash trashin’ around here. You know full well how much every other team in the league would love to have him. Do you have the same views on Mikko Koivu, just because he isn’t top 5 in scoring every year?

Nash has been brilliant even though he’s never had a similarly skilled teammate (even winning the Rocket Richard). I don’t want to bet on either Brassard or Johansen yet, but I think one of those two will certainly help elevate Nash to another level.

I think my argument is more of the ‘entitlement’ fans of teams like Detroit feel they have because they win. I mean really, what could a Jacket ever say to a Red Wings fan that wouldn’t just revert back to their histories?

Yes but the difference between them is there are fans who have a ridiculous superiority complex (mostly Pitt/Detroit [you can’t argue that one bit]/Washington/Chicago) compared to those who are reasonable and logical.

I’ll be the first to admit it, the CBJ hasn’t been great, ever. I’m not going to say my team is better than yours because the sky is blue. Its as outlandish as saying “I’d like them more if they wore OSU colors.”

Moral of the story, cheer for whoever you want, just don’t be a damn douche bag about it.

I like seeing people respond and talk (esp. here on the Cannon). Even if Detroit fans wanted to throw their 0.02 cents in (besides FFmorgan89) that’s fine. Just don’t start flinging mud ya know? Civil debates and discussions are great, just when they fallout of that area and gets nasty, it creates tension and its just no fun.

Glad to hear it! I think I’ll find myself chatting over at BSH this season. Afterall, I need an Eastern Conf. team to cheer for that is actually in the Eastern Conf. (Columbus should be, if anyone cares to argue that, start a new FanPost.)

You should be proud of the playoff run that the Flyers had. I know I was rooting for them, I usually like the underdog. Before the Blue Jackets came to town I was a Chicago fan but I haven’t really followed them since the days of Roenick, Belfour and Chelios. Add to that the fact that we have a hometown team and I just can’t root for Chicago anymore. I have kept my mouth shut about the Detroit guy ribbing you because I hate Detroit. I mean, really hate them. I will say this though, there is a Detroit fan at work and he and I have had a few decent hockey conversations. I can talk to him and be civil and all of that but he knows how much I hate his team and he’s always been cool about it. I even told him the last time we spoke that I hate that I can’t talk trash because I’ve got no ammo. He gave me a little grin and we went our seperate ways, I think he’s alright because he’s never been a jackass about it. Too bad your guy isn’t that decent.

Ask him how good he thinks Toronto is.

Remind him that they may have 12 cups, but they haven’t won any since 1967.

I do think, though, that a lot of teams get more credit once they’ve won a championship – see my discussion of Tampa Bay yesterday. You can fail for 10 years, win a cup, fail for another 5 years, and still be considered a good team based on that one championship.

What a douche. I’m getting angry just reading this. Go ahead, man, go Dorsett on his ass…just don’t get Brassed. I’ll totally bail you out of jail :)

Well, Edmonton on average had like 6-7 guys injured per game, close to 500 or so man games lost I think. They would have done much better when healthy. I liken them to Florida—always mediocre, near the playoff cutoff.

I feel you really should select a two to compare each other to

I feel you should really select a better two teams to compare against one another.