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Speculation: Jeff Carter?

After this past weekend's dealings, with Nashville sending Jason Arnott back to Jersey and the rights to Dan Hamhuis to Philadelphia for Ryan Parent, the trade buzz leading up the the draft has escalated to vuvuzela levels, and more than a few observers suggesting that Philly might move Jeff Carter to help with their critical cap crunch. 

According to CapGeek, Carter's due 5,000,000 this year before becoming an RFA in 2011-12. That's a big chunk of change, and would likely push Columbus past their current internal budget - a dicey move unless JPMac OKs opening the vault, or Philly takes some salary back. (FoxSports and Hockeybuzz blogger Eric Smith suggests Sammy Pahlsson, but given Philly's already loaded deep with centers, and Pahlsson is signed for another two years, I half wonder if they might look at an upcoming UFA like Mathieu Garon or Jan Hejda and a pick instead, or perhaps a relatively cheap combo like Marc Methot and Andrew Murray, again potentially packaged with a later round pick.)

We know Columbus and Philly can make deals - it wasn't that long ago that they swapped the #19 pick in the 2008 draft for R.J. Umberger, after all, and that was an oddly similar situation, with Umberger coming to the Jackets just before his RFA season, and Howson inking him to an extension in relatively short order, so if a deal is to be made, I don't see Howson being scared off by Carter's potential free agency.

Drafted as part of the monstrously deep class of 2003, Carter had a career year with the Flyers in 2008, delivering 84 points in 82 games in the regular season (46G, 38A), but disappointed in the Flyers' first round exit, scoring only one goal in six games. 

In 2009-10, he struggled with injury and being shuffled around the Philly lineup, including a less than successful experiment at wing, but still brought in 61 points, 33 of them goals, and contributed 5 goals and two assists in the playoffs, though he disappeared with the rest of Philly's top line for much of the Stanley Cup Finals. 

From a Jackets' perspective, Carter is a mixed bag. On the one hand, he's got great skating ability, size, and a wicked shot. He's a good penalty killer and a great offensive touch. On the other hand, he's not as physical as he might be with that size, he tends to be a shoot first, shoot again, and maybe pass third kind of guy, and he does tend to disappear for stretches during the season. (I give him a pass for the playoffs, though, given the revelation that he played most of the post-season with a broken foot.) His talent and his salary pretty much demand he would be played as the #1 center, but I don't see him working well with Rick Nash compared to a true playmaker like other rumored trade targets (Spezza, Weiss, and Savard), unless you hope for Carter taking defensive pressure off Nash by forcing teams to defend against both players? 

On the other hand, even Carter's "off year" of 61 points would have been fourth in scoring on last year's Jackets, and his 33 goals would have tied Nash for top production on the team. A Jackets lineup that combined Nash, Carter, Huselius, Vermette, Voracek, and perhaps Nikita Filatov in the top six suddenly becomes much more of an offensive force - perhaps even able to rival the scoring depth of Detroit or Chicago. 

It's a situation where it's easy to lay out pros and cons, but there's no doubt that if Howson wanted to make a big splash at the draft, the opportunity is there.

That said, sometimes the best way to judge the value of a player to ask the fans he's playng in front of, and since we've had a lot of visits lately from Broad Street Hockey's Geoff Detweiler, I thought I'd ask him for his take on Carter, after the jump...

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So the Blue Jackets are looking for a center to play with Rick Nash.  What else is new?  Apparently favorite son R.J. Umberger wasn't enough for you, and now that the Flyers are supposedly shopping Jeff Carter (or not, depending on whether you believe Paul Holmgren or not), you have your eyes on him.

Twice during the season, Holmgren said he was not trading Carter this season.  Not sure why he added in the caveat "this season", but he held his word.  The season is over and the rumors are back.

Since I know more about Carter than Nash, I'll leave you to decide whether Carter is the center who can play with Nash.  Let's start with the good:  Carter is a premiere talent who has three straight 29-goal seasons, with a career-high 46 in 2008-09.  He's big (6'3" 200 lbs), young (25 years old), affordable ($5 million cap hit), and defensively responsible. 

The problem is that for all of his strengths, there isn't one that makes him elite.  His size is impressive, but he rarely uses it.  This past year, he only had 7 more hits than Danny Briere.  The one time he used his size, he laid a questionable hit on Anssi Salmela.  The fact that he doesn't use his size more often is pretty frustrating, but playing with either Scott Hartnell or Mike Richards means he doesn't have to.

Additionally, while he is a natural goal-scorer, he's also inconsistent.  In 2007-09 he fished 8th with 107 missed shots.  In 2008-09, he tied for 6th in the league with 116 missed shots.  This past year, he finished third with 141 missed shots.  That's a lot of missed shots, and most of them either went straight into the netting or deflected out of the zone.  It's incredibly frustrating, especially since he loves flying down the wing and taking a telegraphed slap shot from above the circle.

Carter's talent makes up for his inaccuracy and his predictability, though.   He hasn't averaged 0.93 points per game over the last two years by luck, after all.  And before you think he's a power-play performer like Danny Briere, he averaged 1.98 pts per 60 minutes of even-strength ice time this past year.  He is a point producer, no doubt about it.

While he is defensively responsible, he can't be confused with Mike Richards.  Yes, Carter gets some time on the PK (3:03 per game last year, 1:17 per game this year), but he's an offense-first player.  His great ability at the other end of the ice makes his above-average play in his own end appear even better than it is. 

I realize this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of Carter, but I'll explain why.  The guy is above-average at everything, neither excellent or average at anything.  He worked on his faceoffs for this year, finishing above 50% for the first time in his career at 52.4%.  He's got a hell of a shot, but misses the net with nearly 45% of the shots he fires.  Defensively, he's much better than Danny Briere, but has never had to (or been asked to) play a two-way game like Pavel Datsyuk or Mike Richards.

Bringing him into Columbus will certainly help Rick Nash get some space, but he's not a playmaker.  Having the two of them on the same line will definitely be scary, but whenever he is on a line with another superstar (whether it be Danny Briere or Mike Richards) the results have been disappointing.  He is the focal point, not a co-star.

In terms of return, there really isn't much precedence for a player of Carter's caliber being traded.  As one of our commenters pointed out, only six 45-goal scorers have been traded.  Two of them were traded for another 45-goal scorer, one of them tried to kill a player, another actually did, and Ilya Kovalchuk refused to sign.  If Carter is moved, I expect the Flyers to ask for a promising young goalie (Steve Mason?), a highly-regarded prospect who is close to NHL-ready (Nikita Filatov?), and another prospect or pick (Matt Calvert?).  Calvert might be more than reasonably expected, but I have a serious crush on him, so of course I make another plug to acquire him.

Obviously, that might be too much for Columbus to part with, so we'll throw in Brian Boucher and call it even.  And if it doesn't work out, remember Carter is an RFA and will net at least a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick if he leaves after next season.

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Do it Columbus, and don’t look back.

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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

As a Flyers fan, do you folks here think Mason’s ‘08-09 season was a fluke of sorts? As an uninformed observer, I kind of got the impression that he had a somewhat rough early part of the season, and all the wind was let out of the sail, so to speak. I’d imagine it’s not for lack of skill and talent, and the confidence can be rebuilt, but you would know a lot better than me…

by Ben Feldman on Jun 21, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no. It was a fluke in that he got so many shutouts, I think, but he’s still a very solid player under that. He fell back to earth, hard, but towards the end of the year he really seemed to find his game again – look at some of the last 10-20 games of the season and you see him dealing with a lot of rubber and not allowing a lot of teams to score on him. Probably the best, even though it was in a losing effort, was the season finale. If he can play with that sort of intensity and effort coming into next season, I think Mase is going to do just fine.

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by Matt Wagner on Jun 21, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does Columbus’s D aid in this? Does he have a solid unit playing in front of him or is he putting up respectable numbers with 6 pylon’s for defensemen?

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year wasn’t pretty. With Commodore missing most the season due to injury or swine flu, Klesla gone for most the the season with his injuries, and Hejda in and out of the lineup, it was a lot of mix and match for sure.

The biggest problem was the lack of puck-movers outside of Kris Russell, I think, and that seems to be getting turned around with John Moore and potentially a move or two at the draft or free agency.

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by Matt Wagner on Jun 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So essentially…the year Mason put up good numbers he had a average to good defense in front of him and last year he had a mash unit…would certainly help to explain the drop in numbers.

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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good bit of it, yes. I think there’s also a certain amount that can also be attributed to Mason coming out of the AHL with very little pro scouting available, so teams didn’t have as much of a guide on how to go after him, compared to having nearly a full NHL season under his belt and giving teams plenty of time to scout his weaknesses.

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by Matt Wagner on Jun 21, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, thank you.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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by EREX21 on Jun 21, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re welcome! Thanks for asking some good questions.

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by Matt Wagner on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calvert may be a bit much to throw in there, but I am not sure why so many teams think we are just going to give away a 25 year old 46 goal scorer who plays both special teams(Geoff you don’t mention the additions of Betts and Lappy in Carter’s decrease in PK time, remember that was kind of the point of signing those guys). Kings fans were completely delusional about this, it was pretty bad.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Jun 21, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right, I didn’t mention the additions of Betts and Lappy. But Richards lost over a minute of PK time from the year before, and Gagne lost nearly 0:45. And when Mika Pyorala averages a mere 10 seconds less PK time per game than you, it’s likely not because of Betts and Lappy.

Now, that doesn’t mean Carter can’t handle the PK – he clearly can – but that he’s an offense first player. There’s a reason his even-strength zone start numbers went from 40.6% offensive last year to 53.3% this year. And yet his numbers declined…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he the center the Jackets want who will get the puck to Nash so he can score 50 goals? Not at all. He would, however, make the Jackets a much better team. He would give the team a much needed 2nd offensive force. Huselius-Vermette-Nash and Voracek-Brassard-Carter sounds pretty good to me, with Carter taking the faceoffs for Brass. It would allow them to put Umberger on the third line to give it a good offensive presence. That being said, there are more pressing needs to address on this team. It’s going nowhere with Fedor Tyutin as the top blue liner.

by Fanpuck33 on Jun 21, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I just don’t see the fit…and I’m a fan of both teams. Especially with the trades I’ve been hearing…No way I want Carter if it means giving up Mase.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 22, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree 100%

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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re-work the return for Philly and we’ll talk. Mase, Fil, AND Calvert? No way. We’ve played the Boucher game before, albeit really really short. Not a big fan.

Methot, Murrdawg, and a pick? Hell yes, but I doubt Philly goes for it.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

See, I think it’s a fair trade. If you don’t want Boucher, we have other goalie prospects to throw in, but you have to look at it from Philly’s perspective.

The Flyers are giving up a young, cheap, RFA center who’s “down year” is 33 goals and .82 pts/game. He’s a two way player, one year removed from scoring 46 goals while getting over 3 minutes of PK time a night. Oh, and 45-goal scorers don’t just get traded.

You’re giving up a young, promising goalie who had a pretty bad year. A disgruntled former-first round pick who loved your organization so much he would rather play in the KHL and a 5th round pick about to make his pro debut.

Maybe it’s a lot, but those three for Carter and a throw-in is a lot more fair (and what the Flyers will be looking for) than Methot as a centerpiece.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 22, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think this trade should happen period.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

THAT trade, yes. I voted yes we should trade for Carter, I just never said trade what, HA!

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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, and I completely see why not.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats fair. I just have a great feeling about this year. Things are going to turn around in Columbus, and its going to get that way with part of our core players. Oh, and btw, thanks for that stupid 24 hour rule at the site. REALLY COOL MAN. I was going to make it one of my favorites on SB, but maybe not anymore…

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 23, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, sorry. That’s something Travis instituted and we all agreed.

I honestly wish you luck next year, mainly because you’ll need to stay healthy.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its a cool thing to have. I know a few other sites that utilize that feature. Either way, glad to finally be on the site.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Mason is not just a young, promising, goalie. Pascal Leclaire fit that description. Steve mason is a former Calder winner and Vezina Finalist. like 45-goal scorers, they don’t just get traded.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Know who the last Calder winning goalie was? Andrew Raycroft. He was traded the season after winning the trophy.

Look, I’m not going to bash Mason since I obviously think he’s good enough (I wouldn’t want him in return if I thought he sucked), but that doesn’t mean he’s untouchable. I just don’t see the Flyers talking to Columbus about Jeff Carter without starting the conversation off with Steve Mason. Maybe they do move on to Kevin Lalande, but then there’s no way Filatov isn’t involved.

Like everyone has said though, Carter isn’t the guy you need or want. So none of this really matters.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is my only problem with it. getting carter who isn’t really fixing our problems and then giving up potentially important pieces to our franchise to obtain him, just doesn’t sound like a good deal to me.

The deal overall is probably fair but it would def. hurt Columbus in the long run I believe. Again, I’m no pro at this, just my thinking on the matter.

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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 23, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

while they're at it

how bout trade Voracek Nash and Russel to detroit for datsyuk? and then the 4thpick more filatov calvert savard and klesla for zetterberg? Carter is NOT coming to columbus nor is Spezza. i dont see cbus changing the roster as much as you all predict not with Mcconnell sets the budget instead of the cap.

by FFmorgan89 on Jun 24, 2010 5:41 AM EDT reply actions  

ment to say Moore pick filatov calvert and savard…

by FFmorgan89 on Jun 24, 2010 5:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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