Leave it for the Professionals
by PhillyPhan85 on May 26, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
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So when Mr. Geoff Detweiler (Broad Street Hockey) came to the Cannon in hopes for finding the answer to his Holy Grail (being the Jackets prospect Matt Calvert) he wanted to know what it would take to bring him to Philly.
I can only provide little banter to quell the questions he had so I wanted to pose it here, to you guys.
I'm not saying that you have to agree with the trade but what do you feel is a viable trade for Calvert where both parties aren't getting royally screwed and both come out on the + side of things.
He (Geoff) wanted to know what would it take to make a trade along the lines of: Jon Matsumoto + blank blank blank for Matt Calvert + blank blank blank (if there is some blanks to fill).
So that's the deal, has to include both players mentioned and then any other incentives for either side you feel would make this trade agreeable for both clubs. Remember this is just fun, nothing more.
So pro's, what do you think?
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Just fun? I want to work out a deal to take to Paul Holmgren. When I see Mike willing to include him in a trade for Ales Hemsky (Ales Hemsky!?!), I begin to think it’s a possibility.
Although, PhillyPhan informed me that the Jackets aren’t exactly shallow at center. I wish the AHL kept faceoff numbers, but I’d imagine Matsumoto is better than Brassard’s miserable percentage.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
That’s twice now- what is the issue with Hemsky?
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by Mike MacLean on May 27, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Edmonton?
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by Andrew Tolliver on May 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yeah. I really don’t like Hemsky. I think he’s extremely overrated. Yeah, he’s close to a point per game player, but he plays against average competition with great teammates, but still comes out fairly even on the plus/minus scale. He’s not bad, and he could still get better, but at $4.1 million, he’s not exactly a bargain.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Edmonton is Bad
Wait now… who on earth is Hemsky playing with that is remotely worthwhile? The Oilers have essentially miserable players, and he’s far and away their best. He’s young (although older than most of our guys) and extremely talented. I think he’s actually underrated, and that’s thanks to his being in Edmonton. Let’s not forget: Edmonton had last place locked up for a while this year.
If you put him on a team that has merely underperfromed (us) instead of a team that did a crash and burn thing last year (Oilers), he might have a chance to do well.
However, I don’t think we’ll get him. He’s way too valuable a player for the Oilers, and we’d have to give up a great deal. His cap hit is actually very minimal for a player of his caliber, which is even more why he’s so worthwhile to the Edmonton team.
Again, I disagree. Using last year (because he was hurt most of this year), look at where his production came from:
66 points in 72 games, 31 of which came on the power play. At 5-on-5, he was on the ice for 44 Oilers goals, 40 goals against. Patrick O’Sullivan (he of the $2.9 mil hit) was acquired mid-season, combined for 43 points in 81 games, 9 of which came on the power play. But at 5-on-5, he was on the ice for 46 and 48 respectively.
Hemsky is a $4.1 million power play specialist. If he cost as much as O’Sullivan, I’d like him. I just want to know he can score away from the power play too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 27, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Team
Could you re-explain what good teammates are on Edmonton? The numbers you list for O’Sullivan are mediocre at best. What other players are you talking about?
As for Hemsky, those numbers are exceptionally amazing for such a miserable team. Particularly that powerplay stat: that’s amazing! Why wouldn’t you want that? What players do we have with that kind of powerplay production?
Note: Rick Nash this year had 67 points in 76 games, and we’re paying him more (and soon to be much more). To be quite fair, Hemsky on a worse team produced equally to Nash. Imagine him on a team that could help him produce. I don’t see why anyone would pass him up.
QualTeam score, according to behindthenet.ca
For O’Sullivan,
Hemsky got over 4 minutes of power play time PER game that year. Him and O’Sullivan had the same amount of ESTOI per game, where Hemsky scoreed 2.08 pts/60 while having a qualteam score of 0.259. O’Sullivan scored 1.69 pts/60 while having a qualteam score of -0.043. So Hemsky is 0.40 points per 60 minutes better than O’Sullivan, which would equal around 9 even-strength points more per season than O’Sullivan.
But while Hemsky got an extra 90 seconds of PP time a game, O’Sullivan was out killing penalties. So would you rather a PP specialist who’s point totals are inflated, or a guy who’s 9 points a season worse at even-strength, but can kill penalties and comes $1.2 mil a year cheaper?
If you need a scorer, by all means, go ahead. But $4.1 mil for a guy who a) is coming off an injury-shorted season; b) relies heavily on PP time to rack up his points; and c) doesn’t hit anybody, is an awful lot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 28, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of the issue here is that although Hemsky may put up a significant number of points on the powerplay, those points are still valuable. So yes, he is 9 points more valuable at even strength, but the question is then if his additional powerplay production is as valuable as O’Sullivan’s penalty killing.
Overall, point per game players are rather rare in the NHL. This past season, of players who played more than 20 games, only 22 put up at least a point per game (Hemsky included). And if you look at that list, the vast majority of them earn far more than 4.1 million.
Also, looking at Columbus, they could use a top line type of talent player to pair with Nash. It seems as though Columbus is stocked with 3rd line (borderline 2nd line) types who can kill penalties….they need the extra offensive production.
Well, those are excellent points. I guess I was looking at it through the lens of the Flyers, who do not need Hemsky. And while he would likely help you guys out, don’t you need a first line center more than someone to flank Nash?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you look at a potential Columbus acquisition through “the lens of the Flyers”? Why did you try to build a case against Columbus trading for him just because you think the Flyers don’t need him? Doesn’t make any sense.
In my scenario he is replacing Huselius. Hemsky is > than Juice. There’s also familiarity between he and Scott Howson.
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by Mike MacLean on May 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said, I don’t like him. When asked why I don’t, I explained why. When Jay explained that the reasons I don’t like him are the reasons the Blue Jackets need him, then I said what I did above.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
For the Columbus Fans
To put this into perspective, the 3rd leading scorer on Edmonton this year was none other than your friend and mine: Gilbert Brule.
They were pretty bad this year, and Hemsky was the only player close to a point a game pace.
well this is all theoretical so yeah, it is just for fun….til Homer would actually make a move.
we aren’t shallow, just still looking for a top line Center…
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on May 27, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to throw my two cents…No Hartnell…as appealing as it may be, don’t do it CBJ. He isn’t worth it. You can find someone at a much better value then him. I’d welcome Hemsky before I would welcome Hartnell. I don’t really like him on the Flyers, I’d hate to see him come to CBJ. Sorry Scottie but stay away.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on May 28, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not a big Hartnell fan either.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 29, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to put up links to all the articles done about FA's...
I know this was about a trade for Calvert but I decided with all the FA talk…might as well.
part 1:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/18/1476194/offseason-options-pt-1-rfa
part 2:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/21/1479207/offseason-options-pt-2-ufa
part 3:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/23/1484556/offseason-options-pt-3-blueline
part 4:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/24/1484233/offseason-options-pt-3-rfa-forwards
part 5:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/26/1488750/offseason-options-pt-5-forward
part 6:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2010/5/28/1489807/offseason-options-pt-6-ufa-forwards
…make it easier for reference and discussion-sake.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
Good call.
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by Andrew Tolliver on May 31, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
They are good articles with some thought provoking names/trade ideas…
It would be a shame not to use them…
I’m hoping here this week to go through and even maybe find some other names to throw on a list for some of my choices. Try to keep this thread going til draft day and beyond hopefully.
Flyers and Blue Jackets...nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on May 31, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to propose anything you want, regardless of how crazy it is
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by Andrew Tolliver on May 31, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to go more in-depth with this but I figure I would keep it simple and sweet.
Just couple quick names and get some opinions. All 3 are centers because, besides lacking that Off. Defensive man, we could really use a boost in that general area.
1.Pavelski
2.Plekanec
3.Fleischmann
These guys are versatile, good hands, speedy…lack a bit in size and physicality, but all are generally good in keeping up with their responsibilities on the ice.
I got to admit, I really like Fleischmann the more I think about it. Mainly because the price is probably right and he can slide to wing if need be. Little Joe and Tomas Plekanec are probably going to be pricier and most likely out of our reach but I still like to entertain the idea. (Sort of like Gonchar, speaking of which, I’ll probably glance over the D and throw a few picks up later.)
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I’d name my first kid Scott if Howson could get Little Joe here, but you’re right, I think it isn’t too likely. Fleischmann, though, is an interesting idea.
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He played reasonably well on the top line when I think Backstrom or whoever was hurt back at the beginning of the year. The price shouldn’t be too crazy. Seems like a guy you could just put anywhere and he will play well.
Big Joe or Little Joe…love either of those guys….Big Joe is a dream cuz I love him and Nash together….it…would…be…MAGIC!
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pavelski would be great, but after his playoffs, his price is probably too steep. Flash is definitely interesting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 9, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
D time
few quick picks on D…thoughts?
1. Niklas Hjalmarsson
2. Anton Volchenkov
3. Kevin Bieksa
Hjalmarsson fits the youth mold and with Arniel’s D-minded approach, could prove to be a good environment for him to thrive in. Hawks need to clean house anyways with their dire cap situation so he could be got for next to nothing really.
Volchenkov is a heavy-hitter, slightly dirty, physical player…yeah he is injury prone but with the kind of heart and “team first” attitude, he would probably be warmly welcomed in Columbus. (Lappy has become an instant hero in Philadelphia for that type of attitude). Plus, just because you can get injured doesn’t mean you will…might be worth the risk, maybe?
Bieksa has roots in Ohio (according to the post, Bowling Green to be exact) so maybe he might want a change of scenery that isn’t too un-familiar to him. A two-way player, so this means he does have some offensive skills along with that defensive mind, could prove to be a worthwhile venture. You could probably get him cheaper then say, Kaberle. (Which we would be giving up probably our 1st round, 4th overall pick…which I want to keep in the CBJ)
Names like Kaberle, Gonchar (in my dreams!), Carle, Coburn(tho he could be a possibility as well), Morrisonn will probably re-sign or want too much to come to Columbus. I was more gung-ho about grabbing big names but the more I think about it, Howson’s approach of making smart, methodical moves/trades is turning out to be the best for CBJ. These 3 names just seem to make more sense for that matter. “Relatively” low-cost and possibly a “High” return on services rendered.
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Big Volchenkov fan. He’d be a huge (literally) addition to the blue line and could potentially be the only d-man we’d have to sign.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we got him, we’d still want some offensive help, I think.
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that’s why Bieksa seems like an interesting player to keep an eye on. Two-way playing is a coveted thing in today’s NHL.
Just seems like if you go for one player, you don’t get the other (Volchenkov is defensive but no offensive…Bergeron is offensive but lacks the physical side of defense)
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 14, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
also
with John Moore developing and the very good possibility of drafting Cam Fowler…we would essentially have some golden boys that (with some seasoning) will fill that OFD role for CBJ.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 14, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true, but a lot of pressure to put on a rookie, if one should make the club. Still, you do have a point.
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yeah, I think we would have to give them some more time…point being that we would have our guys, just got to wait another season or two. That would be the downfall is more waiting.
I guess we could just trade for Kaberle but that would effectively nix Fowler, tho we would give Moore some more time to get his feet wet intstead of throwing him in the deep end.
That’s the beauty of the situation right now, we can take this a million different directions and really they are all good, for the most part.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 14, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. Victor Hedman had a pretty good rookie campaign…and he plays for TAMPA BAY! Its doable I think…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jun 15, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
true…Tyler Myers too…BEAST! but those guys are just the size of train wrecks. This could go either way.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Jun 15, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
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